What is the point of labour ?

[ICTJohnboy]

5 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

Labour are saying a lot of nice things just now but should an election happen soon then I hope people up here remember the utter contempt Labour hold for Scotland and Scottish citizens.

I'm a bit worried that some folk are falling for their pish though.

 

There's only 1 party that has Scotland and Scottish citizens uppermost in their priorities.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

Labour are saying a lot of nice things just now but should an election happen soon then I hope people up here remember the utter contempt Labour hold for Scotland and Scottish citizens.
I'm a bit worried that some folk are falling for their pish though.

Labour are fucking useless and would be eviscerated in any election here in the near future.

[ICTJohnboy]

13 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:

I have no probs with the SNP working with Corbyn Labour, other flavours not so much

 

And with any luck once there are no Labour MPs in Scotland, Corbyn won't stand in the way of Indyref2.

(You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours)

[Granny Danger]

56 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

Labour are saying a lot of nice things just now but should an election happen soon then I hope people up here remember the utter contempt Labour hold for Scotland and Scottish citizens.

I'm a bit worried that some folk are falling for their pish though.

I hope Labour fails spectacularly in Scotland but does well elsewhere.

[git-intae-thum]

1 hour ago, Detournement said:

Do you honestly think that Jeremy Corbyn holds you in contempt?

 

He maybe cares about Scottish seats.....but not about Scots or Scotland. 

Thankfully Scotland no longer cares for the Labour party.

[Ira Gaines]

For the majority of his time as leader of Labour, Corbyn has simply listened to the branch office, who don't give a f**k about this country. But I think if the SNP help him become prime minister, he might well go with a "f**k them" attitude in return.

[Baxter Parp]

[pandarilla]

He maybe cares about Scottish seats.....but not about Scots or Scotland. 
Thankfully Scotland no longer cares for the Labour party.

That's just nonsense.

It would be madness to start throwing telts at the branch office. You can't undermine the only people that are left in the party up here.

Corbyn believes in the United Kingdom from a left wing POV - not some flag waving imperialist pish.

[Baxter Parp]

3 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

Corbyn believes in the United Kingdom from a left wing POV

What is the left wing view of the union? Speaking as a left-winger, I think it's shit.

[pandarilla]

What is the left wing view of the union? Speaking as a left-winger, I think it's shit.

I'm not a fan of it either - it's quite clear that independence is the best chance for genuine left wing policies for Scotland. I reckon if Corbyn was Scottish he'd have left the Labour party (a bit like Malcolm Chisholm).

But as an Englishman he's a believer that those challenging authority and injustice should be fighting collectively - be them from Aldershot or Aberdeen (I took far too long to come up with that weak-assed alliteration).

[Baxter Parp]

Just now, pandarilla said:

But as an Englishman he's a believer that those challenging authority and injustice should be fighting collectively 

But not collectively in the EU, apparently.

[pandarilla]

But not collectively in the EU, apparently.

His position in the referendum was perfectly legitimate. It was essentially: 'The EU is a neoliberal organisation and is far from perfect from a socialist standpoint, but on balance I'm voting remain because the alternative will be far worse."

Now he's sitting on the fence to try and not alienate a shit-load of Labour Leave voters.

You can't genuinely believe that he wouldn't favour left wing policies for the citizens of France or Estonia. But he's the leader of the Labour party and this is not a black and white issue.

[Baxter Parp]

2 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

The EU is a neoliberal organisation

No it isn't.  There isn't anything forcing any country to be neoliberal in the rules and regulations of the EU.

3 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

You can't genuinely believe that he wouldn't favour left wing policies for the citizens of France or Estonia. 

Absolutely not but he's not helping by misunderstanding, possibly deliberately, the nature of the EU.

[Granny Danger]

8 hours ago, MixuFixit said:

Case in point

 

 

She is a mouthy vacuous bint who enjoys undermining Labour and gets help from the MSM to do so.

She will get nowhere in the Labour Party and will hopefully follow through on previous threats to resign.

 

[pandarilla]

Absolutely not but he's not helping by misunderstanding, possibly deliberately, the nature of the EU.

Does the EU not have strict regulations on nationalised industries? This would severely limit a Corbyn led government.

And not long before the brexit farce it looked like a trade deal was going to be signed between the EU and USA which would threaten the very nature of the NHS (open tendering of contracts).

It also put some crippling pressure on Greece, and thwarted any attempts at a socialist solution there.

You seem to want to view the world through a good guy / bad guy lense when the truth is much more awkward and nuanced.

[Detournement]

The idea that the EU isn't inherently neoliberal is utterly laughable.

[Detournement]

7 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:

Is the working time directive neoliberal?

That's like saying that the Tories raised the minimum wage so they aren't Tories any more. 

It hasn't exactly got in the way of neoliberalism in the UK, France or Germany. Also France introduced the 39 hour week pre Single Market so it's not exactly driven by the EU.

[Granny Danger]

Looks like Corbyn is opposed to a ‘National Unity’ government.  This is a pretty stupid stance.

He has every right to argue that he should be the one to be interim PM following a successful confidence vote against the Tory government, but any interim government, however short lived, must include MPs from other parties.

 

[welshbairn]

11 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Looks like Corbyn is opposed to a ‘National Unity’ government.  This is a pretty stupid stance.

He has every right to argue that he should be the one to be interim PM following a successful confidence vote against the Tory government, but any interim government, however short lived, must include MPs from other parties.

 

Where are you seeing that? All I've heard him saying is there's no point in calling for VONC if there's no majority, and the priority is to stop a no deal Brexit.

Edited September 30, 2019 by welshbairn

[Detournement]

I'd like to see them call a vote anyway and make it clear who is keeping Boris in power.