What is the point of labour ?

[Alan Stubbs]

Labour can't hold a poll lead for more than five minutes against one of the shitest UK governments in living memory. 'Future of life in the British isles' seems like a wee bit of a stretch.

[DrewDon]

If only the press reported about Corbyn addressing thousands of his own supporters in Sheffield, Labour would be 20 points in the lead. 

[O'Kelly Isley III]

My point is, "The UK Labour Party is, in one way or another, the future of life in the British Isles."
Like, Scottish Nationalism, and any nationalism won't be able to represent the diversity and new and different realities that  citizens in the British Isles are living through, neither will The Conservatives and the Greens and the Liberal Democrats or any other political party.  The Labour Party can and will be able to do that.
 

Where is the evidence for this pretentious assertion ?

[Antlion]

8 hours ago, Jambo99 said:

What? Do you mean the UK vote that was the EU Referendum? That was a UK vote? 

Yes.  The result of “The UK vote that was the EU referendum that was a UK vote” was an example of ardent British nationalism. The UK is the most nationalistic nation state in the EU at the moment. It’s the one that voted for separatism and is trying (badly) to organise it. 

Ergo, to claim that “nationalism within the UK, never has and never will represent a majority” is a lie. The much-vaunted “will of the people” was in favour of nationalism two years ago.

Edited August 27, 2018 by Antlion

[Antlion]

1 hour ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

8 hours ago, Jambo99 said:

My point is, "The UK Labour Party is, in one way or another, the future of life in the British Isles."
Like, Scottish Nationalism, and any nationalism won't be able to represent the diversity and new and different realities that  citizens in the British Isles are living through, neither will The Conservatives and the Greens and the Liberal Democrats or any other political party.  The Labour Party can and will be able to do that.
 

Where is the evidence for this pretentious assertion ?

Detournment said it?

[Jambo99]

11 hours ago, Antlion said:

Yes.  The result of “The UK vote that was the EU referendum that was a UK vote” was an example of ardent British nationalism. The UK is the most nationalistic nation state in the EU at the moment. It’s the one that voted for separatism and is trying (badly) to organise it. 

Ergo, to claim that “nationalism within the UK, never has and never will represent a majority” is a lie. The much-vaunted “will of the people” was in favour of nationalism two years ago.

It was a UK vote. 

A fact is a fact. 

[BawWatchin]

7 minutes ago, Jambo99 said:

It was a UK vote. 

A fact is a fact. 

If that's a "fact", then why weren't all adults living in the UK allowed to vote on it?

[Jambo99]

On 02/07/2018 at 03:32, pawpar said:

Much as I hate the tory party (and christ do I do) you have to give them credit for a couple of things.

1. They have stupid unionists voting for them despite the fact Scotland is going to shit.

2. They think brexit is a good thing for the UK and bring stupid unionists to think the same and

3. They love austerity.

 

Which brings me to my main point what is the difference between the Conservative and Labour Parties when it comes to policy as there is no difference between them when it comes to the above 3 policies..

At least the tories have the balls to admit the above while labour gets all drunk and says I love you, you are my best friend then cuts your balls off.

So I ask you what is the point of Labour. ? (Anybody mentioning socialism and helping the poor considering they abstain when it comes to a vote on austerity will be ignored.)

 

Discuss. 

 

13 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

20 hours ago, Jambo99 said:

My point is, "The UK Labour Party is, in one way or another, the future of life in the British Isles."
Like, Scottish Nationalism, and any nationalism won't be able to represent the diversity and new and different realities that  citizens in the British Isles are living through, neither will The Conservatives and the Greens and the Liberal Democrats or any other political party.  The Labour Party can and will be able to do that.
 

Where is the evidence for this pretentious assertion ?

It's my opinion. I believe it wholeheartedly. 

I don't agree with your view that my opinion here is "pretentious" nor do I agree with the views of @pawper in the opening statement of this thread. 

 

The point of the Labour Party has always been to challenge the conservative/Conservative political orthodoxy. It is still doing that, and thanks to its members, will continue to do that. 

[Jambo99]

1 minute ago, BawWatchin said:

If that's a "fact", then why weren't all adults living in the UK allowed to vote on it?

The fact I am referring to, is that the EU referendum was a UK vote. 

Which is a fact. Everyone knows that is a fact.

 

[lichtgilphead]

3 minutes ago, Jambo99 said:

The fact I am referring to, is that the EU referendum was a UK vote. 

Which is a fact. Everyone knows that is a fact.

 

I've already had to explain to you that the UK is not the same as the British Isles, so at least you are improving.

However, the EU referendum was demonstrably NOT a UK vote. Qualifying citizens of Gibraltar were entitled to a vote. As far as I recall, they were first to declare a result.

In addition, residents of the UK who were citizens of the Republic of Ireland, or Cyprus, or Malta were entitled to a vote. No-one else was.

[Jambo99]

1 hour ago, lichtgilphead said:

I've already had to explain to you that the UK is not the same as the British Isles, so at least you are improving.

However, the EU referendum was demonstrably NOT a UK vote. Qualifying citizens of Gibraltar were entitled to a vote. As far as I recall, they were first to declare a result.

In addition, residents of the UK who were citizens of the Republic of Ireland, or Cyprus, or Malta were entitled to a vote. No-one else was.

This thread is about "what is the point of the Labour Party"

The Labour Party is about including as many people as possible. Unlike The Conservatives or The Greens or The SNP, who require people to identify and then reject.

The Labour Party is about creating an equality of opportunity, not about ensuring the "correct" people get into power. 

[HTG]

3 minutes ago, Jambo99 said:

This thread is about "what is the point of the Labour Party"

The Labour Party is about including as many people as possible. Unlike The Conservatives or The Greens or The SNP, who require people to identify and then reject.

The Labour Party is about creating an equality of opportunity, not about ensuring the "correct" people get into power. 

Absolute fucking bollocks 

[lichtgilphead]

4 minutes ago, Jambo99 said:

This thread is about "what is the point of the Labour Party"

The Labour Party is about including as many people as possible. Unlike The Conservatives or The Greens or The SNP, who require people to identify and then reject.

The Labour Party is about creating an equality of opportunity, not about ensuring the "correct" people get into power. 

Apart from being absolute fucking bollocks, what relevence does this have to your "fact" about the plebiscite at the EU referendum?

[Jambo99]

9 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said:

Apart from being absolute fucking bollocks, what relevence does this have to your "fact" about the plebiscite at the EU referendum?

Because, the EU referendum was a vote that was a UK vote. It wasn't Scotland, and England, and Wales, and Northern Ireland and elsewhere that voted. We voted as a single entity. 

And you @lichtgilphead seem to believe that the EU ref vote was a majority vote for Nationalism. 

Which is what this dull chat is about.  

 

Edited August 27, 2018 by Jambo99

[Jambo99]

8 minutes ago, HTG said:

Absolute fucking bollocks 

thanks for your opinion.

 

[lichtgilphead]

2 minutes ago, Jambo99 said:

Because, the EU referendum was a vote that was a UK vote. It wasn't Scotland, and England, and Wales, and Northern Ireland and elsewhere that voted. We voted as a single entity. 

I've already told you that citizens of Gibraltar had a vote in the EU referendum. Is Gibraltar considered to be part of the UK in your mind? Can you name their MP at Westminster, for instance?

Here's a clue. Look up "British Overseas Territory"

[Jambo99]

3 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said:

I've already told you that citizens of Gibraltar had a vote in the EU referendum. Is Gibraltar considered to be part of the UK in your mind? Can you name their MP at Westminster, for instance?

Here's a clue. Look up "British Overseas Territory"

So do you think Gibraltar are staying in the EU? 

Do you think Northern Ireland is staying in the EU?

Do you think only Wales and England have left the EU?

 

[lichtgilphead]

9 minutes ago, Jambo99 said:

Because, the EU referendum was a vote that was a UK vote. It wasn't Scotland, and England, and Wales, and Northern Ireland and elsewhere that voted. We voted as a single entity. 

And you @lichtgilphead seem to believe that the EU ref vote was a majority vote for Nationalism. 

Which is what this dull chat is about.  

 

Oh, you've edited your post while I was replying. Well done you!

I didn't say it, but I would agree that British Nationalism was a factor in the EU vote. Only a moron would disagree.

BTW, if you find the chat dull, please feel free to f*ck off.

[lichtgilphead]

Just now, Jambo99 said:

So do you think Gibraltar are staying in the EU? 

Do you think Northern Ireland is staying in the EU?

Do you think only Wales and England have left the EU?

 

Is Gibraltar part of the UK?

[Jambo99]

Just now, lichtgilphead said:

Is Gibraltar part of the UK?

You must see what I am trying to say here @lichtgilphead

The constituent parts of us all, did not vote as independent parts. We voted as a whole.

Surely you understand this. As a fact.