What is the point of labour ?

[WhiteRoseKillie]

1 hour ago, Pato said:

Having no luck finding it now but apparently Labour in Hartlepool pay their campaign staff and are sacking them all tomorrow haha

Surely, after today, win or lose, there's no campaign to staff? I thought you were quite bright, Mixu.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

1 hour ago, Pato said:

I think they ordinarily keep a bunch of people on retainer to bus around to campaign in various elections but because of the lack of money coming in this year they have told them all they're getting the sack the day after which I'm sure has had an effect on the zeal with which they do the job. I woulda thought it was better to have a strong local team of volunteers mind you.

Yeah, you would think so, and I've been a member of several teams in both my own and neighbouring constituencies over the years. If the way our CLP and our elected officers have been treated is any indicator, mind, that won't be a given either. How the f**k do you get people, especially young people, to get on the doorstop and enthuse about Starmer's vision? 

..and that's probably the only time you'll see the words "Starmer" and "vision" in the same sentence. I've given him a year, and he's entirely, fully, absolutely useless. While Johnson's poor decision making rfesulted in massive death tolls and a screwed economy, Starmer has managed to piss away hundreds of thousands of members while putting the Party in a position where, if a GE were held tomorrow, we'd probably lose another couple of dozen seats at a minimum. He stands for fúck all, and by failing to actually oppose the Tories he's killed any chance of a future my kids and grandkids might have had - as well as rendering any chance of Labour (i.e. a Party for the workers) ever has of regaining relevance. Not power, just relevance. I'm realistic enough to see that I'm going to die under a continuation of these cúnts - the Cabinet will probably be half-full of Rees-fucking-Moggs by the time I go. 

[Detournement]

5 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

Yeah, you would think so, and I've been a member of several teams in both my own and neighbouring constituencies over the years. If the way our CLP and our elected officers have been treated is any indicator, mind, that won't be a given either. How the f**k do you get people, especially young people, to get on the doorstop and enthuse about Starmer's vision? 

That's the contradiction for Labour. They can only grow the vote - as Corbyn did before Brexit took over - by having the left as the public face of the party. But that's completely unacceptable to the individuals and organisations that fund Starmer, Reeves, Rayner etc. So they are stuck doing phony politics that no one is interested in. 

The Labour Right also seem to have accepted that legitimate politics need Establishment/Tory approval so even a former DPP, Knight of The Realm and  Trilateral Commission member somehow allows himself to be disciplined by no mark journalists and fringe Tories rather than going on the offensive.

 

[O'Kelly Isley III]

5 minutes ago, Detournement said:

That's the contradiction for Labour. They can only grow the vote - as Corbyn did before Brexit took over - by having the left as the public face of the party. But that's completely unacceptable to the individuals and organisations that fund Starmer, Reeves, Rayner etc. So they are stuck doing phony politics that no one is interested in. 

The Labour Right also seem to have accepted that legitimate politics need Establishment/Tory approval so even a former DPP, Knight of The Realm and  Trilateral Commission member somehow allows himself to be disciplined by no mark journalists and fringe Tories rather than going on the offensive.

 

I watched an interview with Starmer earlier this week and I was struck by his demeanor and obvious lack of self-belief.  If the leader of the Labour Party can't convince himself then what signal does that send to voters ?

[GordonS]

5 hours ago, mizfit said:

I’ve just clocked the Perthshire south Labour candidate has little online presence.
 

In SNP-Tory marginals Labour run paper candidates. One might suspect they want their voters to vote Tory.

[GordonS]

14 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

At the risk of oversimplification, who are Labour going to take votes from?

 

I think their aim in this election campaign has been "vote for us if you oppose independence and you're not a khunt."

Which is fair enough. 

[tamthebam]

14 hours ago, Saltire said:

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj89L6vxLPwAhVIgFwKHQIUDmoQ3ywwAHoECAIQAg&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DXWsvzko1fkY&usg=AOvVaw3zX4006xm9j3mPWxmYdLqB

But no-one will listen now!!!!!!!

 

15 hours ago, Lurkst said:

Yeah hard to tell who Tom's party is these days. 

Noticed on the news the clunking fist was also unleashed from cold storage....

 

reminded me of Nicolae Ceaucescu's last speech

[Granny Danger]

22 minutes ago, GordonS said:

I think their aim in this election campaign has been "vote for us if you oppose independence and you're not a khunt."

Which is fair enough. 

If you oppose Independence you are a khunt by definition.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

1 hour ago, Granny Danger said:

If you oppose Independence you are a khunt by definition.

I may be wrong, but isn't Scotland the only Nation ever to be offered its independence and said, "Nah, ye're alright"? Note - offered the choice of independence, no need for the massive damage an armed rebellion would have caused, like many other countries have undergone for the prize of self-determination. 

Renton was right - in fact he was maybe a bit too diplomatic. 

[Turkmenbashi]

10 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

I may be wrong, but isn't Scotland the only Nation ever to be offered its independence and said, "Nah, ye're alright"? Note - offered the choice of independence, no need for the massive damage an armed rebellion would have caused, like many other countries have undergone for the prize of self-determination. 

Renton was right - in fact he was maybe a bit too diplomatic. 

Quebec and New Caledonia

[NotThePars]

27 minutes ago, Turkmenbashi said:

Quebec and New Caledonia

I think Malta also voted to join the UK anaw but it wasn't implemented in the end.

[GordonS]

Singapore were expelled from Malaysia, they didn't want independence and were made independent by default. 

[Wee-Bey]

The Times have these melts routed already.

[Granny Danger]

45 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said:

The Times have these melts routed already.

They’re right though.  Starmer must move Labour further to the right; maybe even past the Tories.

Then the Tories can retaliate by moving even further right, the Labour...

[WhiteRoseKillie]

They’re right though.  Starmer must move Labour further to the right; maybe even past the Tories.
Then the Tories can retaliate by moving even further right, the Labour...

I still can't believe the change in Angela Rayner. I actually had her down as a potential deputy to RLB.Seems the position is more important to her than any socialist vision ever was. A massive disappointment, and even as a wizened old cynic, I feel betrayed. She could have been part of something wonderful, and sold her soul for five minutes carrying that cűnt's bag.

[G51]

Sienna Rodgers reporting that Labour sources are telling her they've had an "atrocious" day in Sunderland.

Remember that these c***s deliberately undermined the 2017 and 2019 election campaigns. Get it right fucking up them.

Edited May 6, 2021 by G51

[Wee-Bey]

Reports that Labour are having a shocker everywhere except for Andy Burnham in Manchester.

[G51]

 

keith

[DeeTillEhDeh]

This is what happens when you try to be Tory lite and pander to fucking bigots.

If Labour do as badly as some are saying you would genuinely have to think that Starmer is a goner.

[Salt n Vinegar]

9 minutes ago, G51 said:

 

keith

I've been offline for a couple of hours but if that is true Starmer should be hunted down with burning torches and pitchforks.