What is the point of labour ?

[Clown Job]

50 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

 

Absolutely crucial for the people in charge of fixing potholes and sorting out your bins to have a strong stance on constitutional matters which you believe are solely the preserve of Westminster.

Clowns.

But don’t call them unionist mind 

[Granny Danger]

1 hour ago, Crùbag said:

Labour standing the former Orange Order Grand Wizard... desparate or what?

 

 

Which Lanarkshire Ward?

[monthefife]

I left "Scottish Labour" long since before 2014 for obvious reasons, but this is just utterly disgraceful. How much lower can they sink? 

I'm genuinely depressed to hear some people insist that Labour are still a party worth voting for in Scotland.

[invergowrie arab]

Do folk think the orange Labour link is new? Their Tammnay Hall politics has never had a hint of values or integrity behind it 

[MacDuffman]

Labour standing the former Orange Order Grand Wizard... desparate or what?
 
 

Grand wizard. He'll obviously just magic his way in. Feckin' daft orange b'satards.

[The_Kincardine]

I sought out this thread to see  who'd have their drawers in a fankle and wasn't disappointed.

I saw this earlier.  I like it:

[Brother Blades]

 ^^^ Fucking hell.

[Clown Job]

Anas Sarwar - I don’t select the candidates

Also Anas Sarwar 

 

[Theroadlesstravelled]

On 04/03/2022 at 20:52, The_Kincardine said:

I sought out this thread to see  who'd have their drawers in a fankle and wasn't disappointed.

I saw this earlier.  I like it:

 
A Tory liking Labour.

The SNP wins again.

[Antlion]

1 hour ago, Clown Job said:

Anas Sarwar - I don’t select the candidates

Also Anas Sarwar 

 

“The party’s” independence? How and why the media are allowed to lie with impunity about slab being a party is baffling. They’re an accounting unit. Journalists know it. You know it. I know it. Dogs know it. But shhh.

[scottsdad]

Keir Starmer’s clarity on foreign policy will restore trust in Labour

Interesting take on Corbyn bungling the Salisbury poisonings. 

[williemillersmoustache]

FlegsFlegsFlegsBrexitQueenFlegs

 

 

[scottsdad]

3 hours ago, williemillersmoustache said:

FlegsFlegsFlegsBrexitQueenFlegs

 

 

I really don't get how Labour "lost" the flag. During the war they were right there with the Tories, running the war machine. Clement Attlee helped create NATO. Their credentials on military matters should be sound. 

But then we have had Foot and Corbyn, both anti-military in a naive kind of way, and Blair who was pro-military in an equally naive way. 

[williemillersmoustache]

3 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

I really don't get how Labour "lost" the flag. During the war they were right there with the Tories, running the war machine. Clement Attlee helped create NATO. Their credentials on military matters should be sound. 

But then we have had Foot and Corbyn, both anti-military in a naive kind of way, and Blair who was pro-military in an equally naive way. 

Neither do i. I think it's nonsense and despite Corbyn being a total hazard for a whole number of reasons, he's just used as an excuse for Starmer to indulge in the sort of crude symbolic nationalism Brexit wonks get moist for and which they denounce in others. 

[Wee-Bey]

The good patriotism v the bad nationalism.

What a bunch of fucking melts they are.

[scottsdad]

And this is exactly the kind of in-fighting pish you never hear from the Tories. 

If you want to know why the Tories always win, it's this. You never hear them arguing about patriotism, or if their leader is pure enough/left wing enough/right wing enough/tough enough. They never hark back to past Tory governments and trash them. They don't have public sections of the party doing everything they can to take control of the party and expel their enemies. Johnson is the closest a Tory PM has ever come to this kind of bollocks.

I have joked before that nobody hates Labour like the left. In general I reckon you could say that nobody hates Labour like Labour members. 

The morning after they lost in 2019, the giant brain that is Richard Burgon was interviewed on radio and he was crystal clear what caused Labour to have such a big loss: Tony Blair. 

[williemillersmoustache]

2 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

And this is exactly the kind of in-fighting pish you never hear from the Tories. 

If you want to know why the Tories always win, it's this. You never hear them arguing about patriotism, or if their leader is pure enough/left wing enough/right wing enough/tough enough. They never hark back to past Tory governments and trash them. They don't have public sections of the party doing everything they can to take control of the party and expel their enemies. Johnson is the closest a Tory PM has ever come to this kind of bollocks.

I have joked before that nobody hates Labour like the left. In general I reckon you could say that nobody hates Labour like Labour members. 

The morning after they lost in 2019, the giant brain that is Richard Burgon was interviewed on radio and he was crystal clear what caused Labour to have such a big loss: Tony Blair. 

While in reality the Tories are significantly more factionalised than Labour but they aren't stupid enough (generally) to fight their internal battles in public or pursue a strategy of defeating a largely false caricature their opponents have made of them. 

Clowns. 

[btb]

The Tories spent 20-odd years from the mid-90s tearing themselves apart over Europe and were out of power for 13 years and 3 GEs, it took a global economic collapse and the second most lacklustre PM in history (Brown behind May) for them to form a minority government after the 2010 GE. A near total collapse of the Lib-Dems in 2015/17 due to them selling out their principles secured another 4 years while the Tories remained split over Europe. It wasn't until 2019 when the party coalesced behind Johnson that a fatigued electorate decided to embrace his "oven ready" plan which most folk knew wasn't really "oven ready" and was gonna turn out to be pretty meh  that the Tories started to look more unified than Labour.

[Wee-Bey]

38 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

And this is exactly the kind of in-fighting pish you never hear from the Tories. 

If you want to know why the Tories always win, it's this. You never hear them arguing about patriotism, or if their leader is pure enough/left wing enough/right wing enough/tough enough. They never hark back to past Tory governments and trash them. They don't have public sections of the party doing everything they can to take control of the party and expel their enemies. Johnson is the closest a Tory PM has ever come to this kind of bollocks.

I have joked before that nobody hates Labour like the left. In general I reckon you could say that nobody hates Labour like Labour members. 

The morning after they lost in 2019, the giant brain that is Richard Burgon was interviewed on radio and he was crystal clear what caused Labour to have such a big loss: Tony Blair. 

Not really m8.

It's because 99% of politics in this country is a scam and a cruel hoax. Just a conveyor belt of suits and journalists roaring horseshit at the public and each other. Everything is politically expedient and there's no position that can't be reversed 180 degrees within a week.

The Tories are just as factional as Labour, but you never teally hear about it in the press. I wonder why that is ? Who cares, it's the fault of the left.

It's all nonsense.

[scottsdad]

33 minutes ago, btb said:

The Tories spent 20-odd years from the mid-90s tearing themselves apart over Europe and were out of power for 13 years and 3 GEs, it took a global economic collapse and the second most lacklustre PM in history (Brown behind May) for them to form a minority government after the 2010 GE. A near total collapse of the Lib-Dems in 2015/17 due to them selling out their principles secured another 4 years while the Tories remained split over Europe. It wasn't until 2019 when the party coalesced behind Johnson that a fatigued electorate decided to embrace his "oven ready" plan which most folk knew wasn't really "oven ready" and was gonna turn out to be pretty meh  that the Tories started to look more unified than Labour.

I was born in 1979. Tories have been in power for 30 of the last 43 years. However you spin it they are a winning machine (or Labour are a losing machine).