Granny Danger Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 56 minutes ago, Thane of Cawdor said: Tory voters will be strongly in favour of some form of PR after they get destroyed in the 2024 General Election. I thought FPTP was a superb system after the 1997 election - and I'm fairly confident you did too. No and no. Just because a system may be beneficial at times that’s not a reason to support it. The SNP support PR at Westminster despite the fact that they would lose have their representation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, Clown Job said: Needs more unicorns which shit jam. Come on, Gordon - show us you and your old party are serious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Most of that sounds pretty decent. Whether they actually do it, if they get elected, would be the issue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, Clown Job said: Sounds good but Labour have been "considering" doing that for at least half a century at this point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 17 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Most of that sounds pretty decent. Whether they actually do it, if they get elected, would be the issue. Well they never have before, despite promising House of Lords abolition for over a hundred years. But I’m sure they mean it this time. I mean, Gordon Brown - there’s a man you can trust. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 In the land of the blind, the man with one eye is c**t. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 25 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Most of that sounds pretty decent. Whether they actually do it, if they get elected, would be the issue. Two words. The Vow. Brown man speak with forked tongue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 (edited) Sure. I'd be more interested if it made it into the manifesto than was just a vague promise by a former leader. They'd need a lot more than that to win me back, mind. Edited September 22, 2022 by Bully Wee Villa 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 It's almost the 100 year anniversary of the first Labour PM who was also promising to abolish the Lords. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 14 hours ago, Granny Danger said: PR again it momentum. Labour really needs to take note. such a move would remove the possibility of another far-right Johnson/Truss style government. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/sep/22/majority-of-uk-public-agree-with-liberal-views-on-race-and-sexual-identity-annual-poll Some people in the Labour Party think FPTP is the only way they can ever win a whopping majority and implement their radical agenda. Unfortunately they have to avoid being radical to ensure they win and in any case the next Tory majority government can simply undo all of it. Corbyn was perceived as hard left. If he won, maybe we would supposedly only be friends with Venezuela and Cuba and no one else! Now we have a Tory leader who is not sure about being friends with France and wants to leave the ECHR. I would describe that as hard right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, Fullerene said: Some people in the Labour Party think FPTP is the only way they can ever win a whopping majority and implement their radical agenda. Unfortunately they have to avoid being radical to ensure they win and in any case the next Tory majority government can simply undo all of it. Corbyn was perceived as hard left. If he won, maybe we would supposedly only be friends with Venezuela and Cuba and no one else! Now we have a Tory leader who is not sure about being friends with France and wants to leave the ECHR. I would describe that as hard right. I agree with all that. PR is not a panacea but I think it would be the most far reaching political change in a long time. Sadly other European countries are demonstrating that even with PR there can be right wing coalitions and influences but it’s better than an 80+ seat majority with 43% of the vote. Scottish Independence still the priority mind you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Brilliant stuff lads, what will get Scottish voters flocking back to the Labour party is devolving more power to Street and Burnham the Beadles of East and West Arsechester. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 What is the point of Labour? Quote Labour chaos as party forced to deny Angela Rayner's claims it would scrap income tax cuts 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 Was getting worried for a moment, starting to think Labour was a nationalist party…. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 I’m not sure why the Labour Party bother holding a conference any more. Every effort is made to ensure anything the leadership disagrees with is not on the agenda and even where there is overwhelming support for a policy it is completely at the leader’s discretion as to whether any notice will be taken of it. It is genuinely the case that policy for the political party that may be the next government is being made by one man aided by unaccountable advisers. Seriously just ditch the facade of democratic policy making. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 27 minutes ago, Clown Job said: Was getting worried for a moment, starting to think Labour was a nationalist party…. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 Heard the democracy deniers crying about independence again this morning and how they'll tearfully challenge the Supreme Court decision should it not go in their favour (i.e. should it decide that a bit of democracy is fine). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 So a party that includes people who don't believe in God and don't believe in the Monarchy is singing a song about both. They don't believe in Brexit either but now they have to pretend they do because that is how the vote went and it is unpatriotic to disrespect the vote. This is to appeal to voters who thought Johnson was being patriotic by wearing a Union Jack suit while getting stuck on a zip line. Bizarre. Meanwhile the rest of the world is looking on and laughing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 17 hours ago, btb said: What is the point of Labour? Labour chaos as party forced to deny Angela Rayner's claims it would scrap income tax cuts Right so Starmer says Labour would reinstate the top tax rate at 45% aligning himself with those radical Socialists David Cameron & George Osbourne - what is the point of Labour? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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