sophia Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 6 hours ago, lichtgilphead said: Here's a topical poster from 1910 Amateurs. Not a burning torch or pitchfork in sight. Won't happen. The Labour Lords and Ladies won't let them do it, doncha know. The unelected (including much of the press) won't allow it and if Charlieboy can't dole out gongs and "you've done very well" rewards to the not-so-great and the not-so-good, and sit atop an "honours" system, what is HE for? Nice try by Starmer, but he knows it'll never happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Labour and it's new anti-immgant policy. Sorry not Labour, the Red Tories and their new anti-immgant policy. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-63707941 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: Labour and it's new anti-immgant policy. Sorry not Labour, the Red Tories and their new anti-immgant policy. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-63707941 I am no supporter of Starmer, but he does explain why he is thinking this. He is telling business to up their game and end low pay poverty. Edited November 22, 2022 by Highlandmagar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Highlandmagar said: I am no supporter of Starmer, but he does explain why he is thinking this. He is telling business to up their game and end low pay poverty. It appears I may have to write this on the fucking moon in sparkly letters so folk get it. THERE. ARE. NOT. ENOUGH. PEOPLE. OF WORKING AGE. IN. THE. UK. Paying folk more, or training more of them, is going to achieve, nothing. Because there isn't enough of them. Low skilled industry (and others) is just cannabilising resource from each other, driving up wages sure but then also cost, making these jobs non viable so the vacancies are being withdrawn. Maybe like BawJaws Starmer isn't a racist himself but, he sure as f**k doesn't mind telling racists what they want to hear does he? The despicable c**t that he is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 29 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: It appears I may have to write this on the fucking moon in sparkly letters so folk get it. THERE. ARE. NOT. ENOUGH. PEOPLE. OF WORKING AGE. IN. THE. UK. Paying folk more, or training more of them, is going to achieve, nothing. Because there isn't enough of them. Low skilled industry (and others) is just cannabilising resource from each other, driving up wages sure but then also cost, making these jobs non viable so the vacancies are being withdrawn. Maybe like BawJaws Starmer isn't a racist himself but, he sure as f**k doesn't mind telling racists what they want to hear does he? The despicable c**t that he is. Oh my! A bit of a Tory type rant there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 I am no supporter of Starmer, but he does explain why he is thinking this. He is telling business to up their game and end low pay poverty.They could triple the pay in a lot of jobs and still not fill the posts with good old British Bulldogs !Genuine question, how much do you reckon you would need to pay your average unemployed Brit to work in a field, sort rubbish or gut fish ? No matter what the pay you are always going to struggle to get Brits to do this work mainly because the media machine and govt alike have spent decades demonising these posts and their holders. It's the work of FORINURS, not for us Jeff, with pay and conditions to suit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, Highlandmagar said: Oh my! A bit of a Tory type rant there. If there were a single tory or Labour b*****d who came even slightly close to telling it like it is on migration and the lack of resource. You'd have a point. And you may or may not have noticed that despite the pressure on worker numbers, there are still rather a lot of people in work and poor. Scarcity does drive price but only up to a point and as well as cost it also increases the likelihood of absence of that resource. There's nothing quite so tory as "you can only have this thing, this service if you can afford to pay over the odds, and the rest can bolt." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 The supply of cheap labour from Eastern Europe has already been turned off tbh. It's not just the wages either - remember the lorry driver shortage? Money was chucked at them and they still struggled to recruit adequate numbers. Covid lockdowns and particularly furlough have caused a pronounced shift in attitudes to working patterns and conditions and people aren't as willing to put up with antisocial shift patterns as they may have once done. Paying more might help but is no guarantee if the conditions remain undesirable. It's also not been addressed either, but a lot of people have left the workforce for whatever reason over the last couple of years. That can't just be replaced overnight from the currently unemployed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 33 minutes ago, Michael W said: The supply of cheap labour from Eastern Europe has already been turned off tbh. It's not just the wages either - remember the lorry driver shortage? Money was chucked at them and they still struggled to recruit adequate numbers. Covid lockdowns and particularly furlough have caused a pronounced shift in attitudes to working patterns and conditions and people aren't as willing to put up with antisocial shift patterns as they may have once done. Paying more might help but is no guarantee if the conditions remain undesirable. It's also not been addressed either, but a lot of people have left the workforce for whatever reason over the last couple of years. That can't just be replaced overnight from the currently unemployed. Add to this, the ever-changing visa rules. I hire a number of international people every year to undertake some roles (marking, mostly). 5 years ago they filled in a form and got paid a fixed rate per exam paper/dissertation. Now they get paid an hourly rate (which is utter peanuts), only allowed 7 hours per week, and have to undertake all kinds of paperwork. For a casual position that lasts a few weeks they have to get more and more paperwork ready. What was a nice wee earner for some folk over Christmas just isn't worth it now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Add to this, the ever-changing visa rules. I hire a number of international people every year to undertake some roles (marking, mostly). Zonal or man for man? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Billy Jean King said: They could triple the pay in a lot of jobs and still not fill the posts with good old British Bulldogs ! Genuine question, how much do you reckon you would need to pay your average unemployed Brit to work in a field, sort rubbish or gut fish ? No matter what the pay you are always going to struggle to get Brits to do this work mainly because the media machine and govt alike have spent decades demonising these posts and their holders. It's the work of FORINURS, not for us Jeff, with pay and conditions to suit. Sick of these foreigners coming over and taking all our jobs we'd never lower ourselves to take on 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Haw, Starmer, mind when some Unions amalgamated? Why don't you just become the Conservative & Labour Unionist Party? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, The Skelpit Lug said: Haw, Starmer, mind when some Unions amalgamated? Why don't you just become the Conservative & Labour Unionist Party? As Orwell said in the final paragraph of Animal Farm: The voters outside looked from Labour to Tory, and from Tory to Labour, and from Labour to Tory again; but already it was impossible to say which was which. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 25 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: As Orwell said in the final paragraph of Animal Farm: The voters outside looked from Labour to Tory, and from Tory to Labour, and from Labour to Tory again; but already it was impossible to say which was which. I'd normally want to avoid Orwell. But its absolutely spot on. Economically illiterate, dog whistling, scratch and sniff populism. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 3 hours ago, Highlandmagar said: Oh my! A bit of a Tory type rant there. Ooft! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Starmer, LOL. I can't really think of anything to add to that. but but but.... "SNP bad!" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Would the real Keir Starmer please stand up. Oh you have? f**k off then you duplicitous c**t. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 On 20/11/2022 at 12:35, Granny Danger said: Labour’s Welsh First Minster, Mark Drakeford, is in Qatar. A man without a chin. Ftfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Farage has likened what Starmer has said on immigration to his own 2015 UKIP manifesto. Labour are absolutely howling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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