williemillersmoustache Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 "The choice is no longer between Independence and the status quo" said Starmer. "So how do the people of Scotland choose Independence then." asked not one of the assembled journalists. "YOU CANT YOU JUST FUCKING CANT OK" screamed the disembodied voice of John McTernan. "So you're choices are "or not the status quo" said failed Labour candidate Mz Eddie Izzard. There are huge guffaws and rapturous applause from the assembled media. "Now let's get on and deliver REAL CHANGE for A NEW BRITAIN(ɴᴏᴛ ʏᴏᴜ Sᴄᴏᴛʟᴀɴᴅ)" said Starmer. Several members of the Scottish press are subsequently taken to hospital for what has been described as self-inflicted injuries suatained by attempting to vigorously clap and w**k at the same time. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Granny Danger said: There will be plenty of Scottish Labour voters who don’t identify with Brown And it's not just Scottish Labour voters who don't identify with Brown. Imagine having him as the poster boy for a bold new vision. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, The Skelpit Lug said: And it's not just Scottish Labour voters who don't identify with Brown. Imagine having him as the poster boy for a bold new vision. Bit cruel there, tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, The Skelpit Lug said: And it's not just Scottish Labour voters who don't identify with Brown. Imagine having him as the poster boy for a bold new vision. Come on - what is it about this lying, amoral living corpse that doesn’t scream “bold” or “new” or “vision”? Edited December 5, 2022 by Antlion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Brother Blades said: Bit cruel there, tbh. Oops 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeRichard Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 40 minutes ago, Antlion said: “Restricting free movement has had a devasting impact," said managing director Julian Marks. "But not just on agriculture and horticulture – on pretty much every sector where people from abroad have been working in those sectors for years and now. They’re going home." You can see why the old UK - the EU member state we voted on in 2014 and which no longer exists - bragged about “Voting No Borders”. It’s since demonstrated that doing a 180 and erecting them in order to deter movement doesn’t work. Big business can’t push wages down by employing from Europe as easily anymore. Cry me a river. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 4 hours ago, GTG_03 said: Why is Gordon brown still seen as being relevant? He should be in a retirement home where he can explain to the carers that his vision of the UK is what's best and that he was once prime minister you know. I'd like to be able to vote for labour but as long as they treat Scotland like this they'll get nowt from me. Why? They're absolute scum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 9 minutes ago, HandsomeRichard said: Big business can’t push wages down by employing from Europe as easily anymore. Cry me a river. I assume you’ll also be hoping that big business can’t pull wages down by employing from England as easily in an independent Scotland, etc? Thankfully, most don’t want to throw up borders. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeRichard Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, Antlion said: I assume you’ll also be hoping that big business can’t pull wages down by employing from England as easily in an independent Scotland, etc? Thankfully, most don’t want to throw up borders. I’d rather not get into hypotheticals. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, HandsomeRichard said: I’d rather not get into hypotheticals. Yet you voted for one in 2016. Edited December 5, 2022 by Antlion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeRichard Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Just now, Antlion said: Yer you voted for one in 2016. I most certainly did not! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, Antlion said: I assume you’ll also be hoping that big business can’t pull wages down by employing from England as easily in an independent Scotland, etc? Thankfully, most don’t want to throw up borders. He’s a troll*, I wouldn’t waste the effort. * and a shite one at that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 52 minutes ago, KingRocketman II said: This plus Brown saying that Scotland leaving the UK (and thereby rejoining the EU) would be economically detrimental - at its best it is fantasy land/cloud cuckoo politics; at it's worst it is lying, self-serving and manipulative. There is no way both Brown and Starmer do not believe that being back in the EU would be beneficial on almost every front. Yet in the desperate hunt for votes and power, party and individuals connected to the party will always come first for Labour. At least the Tories are up front about that. Scotland leaving the UK may well be economically detrimental for the same reasons as the Uk leaving the EU was. rUK is almost certainly Scotland’s biggest trading partner and almost certainly would be following any independence. It’s going to be difficult to have a foot in each of two mutually incompatible trading blocs so it would be Former UK or EU, not both, very likely. There would necessarily be barriers to trade between rUK and Scotland that currently aren’t there that would be a deadweight cost to both economies. That’s not to say Indy is bad, but there will be costs. Although the downside of remaining in the UK was increased massively by Brexit, the downside of leaving has probably increased by more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, HandsomeRichard said: I most certainly did not! There was no White Paper for Brexit. There was not even a fragment of a sentence of a plan put to voters. It was all hypothetical. In fact, we were assured by the Brexiteers that we’d continue to access the Single Market (and thus by implication have free movement, though they didn’t publicise that bit). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 1 minute ago, coprolite said: Scotland leaving the UK may well be economically detrimental for the same reasons as the Uk leaving the EU was. rUK is almost certainly Scotland’s biggest trading partner and almost certainly would be following any independence. It’s going to be difficult to have a foot in each of two mutually incompatible trading blocs so it would be Former UK or EU, not both, very likely. There would necessarily be barriers to trade between rUK and Scotland that currently aren’t there that would be a deadweight cost to both economies. That’s not to say Indy is bad, but there will be costs. Although the downside of remaining in the UK was increased massively by Brexit, the downside of leaving has probably increased by more. I think by the time we have Independence (and I hope it’s not too far away) the U.K. will have a far closer trading relationship with the EU than it does at present. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, coprolite said: Scotland leaving the UK may well be economically detrimental for the same reasons as the Uk leaving the EU was. rUK is almost certainly Scotland’s biggest trading partner and almost certainly would be following any independence. It’s going to be difficult to have a foot in each of two mutually incompatible trading blocs so it would be Former UK or EU, not both, very likely. There would necessarily be barriers to trade between rUK and Scotland that currently aren’t there that would be a deadweight cost to both economies. That’s not to say Indy is bad, but there will be costs. Although the downside of remaining in the UK was increased massively by Brexit, the downside of leaving has probably increased by more. You have to wonder if a benefit of Brexit in the minds of extreme UK Nats was more deeply trapping Scotland, England, Wales and NI in a protectionist, low-wage, low-rights enclave. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, coprolite said: It’s going to be difficult to have a foot in each of two mutually incompatible trading blocs so it would be Former UK or EU, not both, very likely. Scottish busiesses thet export goods already have to have a foot in two mutually incompatible trading blocs. One is made up of England & Wales, the other is made up of the EU & northern Ireland. This would not change after Indy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeRichard Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Antlion said: There was no White Paper for Brexit. There was not even a fragment of a sentence of a plan put to voters. It was all hypothetical. In fact, we were assured by the Brexiteers that we’d continue to access the Single Market (and thus by implication have free movement, though they didn’t publicise that bit). The way I saw it was that there were always going to be long, complicated negotiations. It wasn’t a hypothetical. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 1 minute ago, HandsomeRichard said: The way I saw it was that there were always going to be long, complicated negotiations. It wasn’t a hypothetical. The way everyone else saw it was that David Davis is a quarter short of being a halfwit and the EU would absolutely rinse the UK in any sort of negotiations. You couldn't have gotten a bookie to take a bet on the UK making a ripsnorting c**t of it. So I guess, in that way, you're right and it wasn't a hypothetical; it was either insanity, disaster capitalism designed to enrich the very few or some combination of both. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, HandsomeRichard said: The way I saw it was that there were always going to be long, complicated negotiations. It wasn’t a hypothetical. Why did you expect long complicated negotiations in the event of a remain vote, given that you claim to have voted remain? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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