The Rangers v Celtic away allocation thread

[Jinky67]

39 minutes ago, bennett said:

If celtic had allocated tickets for the game and Rangers reneged on the 5% deal then celtic would have had the moral high ground.  While Rangers would have been slaughtered by everyone,  including our own fans.

 

If your board hadn’t f**ked with the allocations in the first instance we wouldn’t be having this conversation at all and I don’t recall you slaughtering your board for messing with it then, what’s the difference now?

20 minutes ago, AJF said:

Precisely. This isn’t a case of defending Rangers for reducing the allocations initially. This is a case of criticising Celtic for locking out Rangers fans based on assumptions and hypotheticals.

Aren’t you also making assumptions here? Unless of course you are privy to the exact terms of the agreement, milestones agreed etc. 

 

Edited August 19 by Jinky67

[AJF]

26 minutes ago, Jinky67 said:

If your board hadn’t f**ked with the allocations in the first instance we wouldn’t be having this conversation at all and I don’t recall you slaughtering your board for messing with it then, what’s the difference now?

Aren’t you also making assumptions here? Unless of course you are privy to the exact terms of the agreement, milestones agreed etc. 

 

Celtic’s own statement states that they would not be allocating us an away allocation “without a guarantee”  that your supporters could attend Ibrox in January.

It’s fairly clear from that. If we had breached any terms of the agreement already, Celtic would have said so. If we had breached any terms of the agreement, our own statement wouldn’t have said we were on track to take all necessary steps to complete the required works by the January fixture.

[Glen Scotia]

Not allowing away fans in should result in points deductions. Will stop this utter nonsense over night. 

[AJF]

I see Rangers have this week submitted their planning application to have the safety netting system installed at Ibrox. Funnily enough we’ve submitted it about a similar timescale ahead of when the January fixture takes place as Celtic did for the September fixture.

[Glen Scotia]

1 hour ago, AJF said:

I see Rangers have this week submitted their planning application to have the safety netting system installed at Ibrox. Funnily enough we’ve submitted it about a similar timescale ahead of when the January fixture takes place as Celtic did for the September fixture.

Does the safety netting cover over the heads of away fans in the corner? 

[Jinky67]

2 hours ago, AJF said:

I see Rangers have this week submitted their planning application to have the safety netting system installed at Ibrox. Funnily enough we’ve submitted it about a similar timescale ahead of when the January fixture takes place as Celtic did for the September fixture.

So Celtic applied for theirs in May? 

Edited August 23 by Jinky67

[stressball]

2 hours ago, AJF said:

I see Rangers have this week submitted their planning application to have the safety netting system installed at Ibrox. Funnily enough we’ve submitted it about a similar timescale ahead of when the January fixture takes place as Celtic did for the September fixture.

I wonder what forced your board to shift their collective arses…

[AJF]

3 minutes ago, Jinky67 said:

So Celtic applied for theirs in May? 

End of March by the looks of it, so 5 months and a few days prior to the Celtic Park fixture.

Incidentally, it appears these works at Celtic Park haven’t actually been signed off and are pending a decision.

[Jinky67]

10 minutes ago, AJF said:

End of March by the looks of it, so 5 months and a few days prior to the Celtic Park fixture.

Incidentally, it appears these works at Celtic Park haven’t actually been signed off and are pending a decision.

You say funnily enough Rangers are applying within a similar timescale but you do understand last March no one knew what this seasons fixtures would be or when the first game at Celtic Park would be don’t you? The seasons fixtures weren’t published until late June, so we applied 3/4 months before the fixtures were even known

That makes both clubs approach to this very very different. 1 club is doing what is needed as soon as the agreement was made, the other is doing it after being called out on it.

Its not even close to being the same and just makes Rangers look even more inept and tinpot 

Edited August 23 by Jinky67

[AJF]

20 hours ago, Jinky67 said:

You say funnily enough Rangers are applying within a similar timescale but you do understand last March no one knew what this seasons fixtures would be or when the first game at Celtic Park would be don’t you? The seasons fixtures weren’t published until late June, so we applied 4 months before the fixtures were even known

That makes both clubs approach to this very very different. 1 club is doing what is needed as soon as the agreement was made, the other is doing it after being called out on it.

Its not even close to being the same and just makes Rangers look even more inept and tinpot 

What? The first meeting between Celtic and Rangers is almost always end of August/early September. The only time that was drastically different was the season we won the league where Celtic made noises about pushing back the first meeting to try and get fans in the stadium. Lo and behold it was arranged as the 11th fixture in October.

Celtic applied for their permission, what, 152 days prior to the fixture. Rangers applied for theirs 136 days prior to ours. Hardly a material difference between the two…

Edited August 24 by AJF

[German Jag]

[Jinky67]

12 minutes ago, AJF said:

What? The first meeting between Celtic and Rangers is almost always end of August/early September. The only time that was drastically different was the season we won the league where Celtic made noises about pushing back the first meeting to try and get fans in the stadium. Low and behold it was arranged as the 11th fixture in October.

Celtic applied for their permission, what, 136 days prior to the fixture. Rangers applied for theirs 152 days prior to ours. Hardly a material difference between the two…

There is a huge material difference. We applied within days of an agreement being made to allow away fans back in and blind to the date of the first game, what stopped Rangers from applying for permission at the same stage? f**k all by looks it, you have stalled and dragged your feet and again f**ked it for the fans and now only applying as Celtic went public. 

Thats the catalyst for your application now despite your mental gymnastics. You can posture as much as you want about the time before the first games but you are talking about planning applications which are notoriously slow and full of hoops to jump through. Anyone with a modicum of common sense would apply at the earliest opportunity 

 

 

Edited August 23 by Jinky67

[Greenlantern]

12 minutes ago, SaintSamuel said:

Celtic coming out of this looking really poor, which is some doing when your competition is Rangers. 

It may seem that way to yourself, however this fixture is category C(IR) the highest risk category in UK and I wouldn't want a football board to make decisions on the safety of their traveling support lightly. And especially since breaching an agreement made and violating the trust between both clubs.

[stressball]

[Bairnardo]

I'd be absolutely mortified if Falkirk fan behaviour caused us to have install that monstrosity. 

Not Arse Cheek fans though, they've managed to turn it into an argument about who's best at doing it. 

[Sortmeout]

On 19/08/2024 at 14:59, Jinky67 said:

If your board hadn’t f**ked with the allocations in the first instance we wouldn’t be having this conversation at all and I don’t recall you slaughtering your board for messing with it then, what’s the difference now?

 

 

I would guess @AJF, a self confessed lover of the culture of a Rangers away day, is starting to really miss the Celtic Park visits.

[Sortmeout]

6 hours ago, Jinky67 said:

You say funnily enough Rangers are applying within a similar timescale but you do understand last March no one knew what this seasons fixtures would be or when the first game at Celtic Park would be don’t you? The seasons fixtures weren’t published until late June, so we applied 3/4 months before the fixtures were even known

That makes both clubs approach to this very very different. 1 club is doing what is needed as soon as the agreement was made, the other is doing it after being called out on it.

Its not even close to being the same and just makes Rangers look even more inept and tinpot 

I think you are going too far with this now.

I doubt anything @AJF says now, short of posting a picture of himself with a tattoo saying “Rangers board and scum and the Celtic board are the best” would satisfy you.

Edited August 23 by Sortmeout

[Jinky67]

46 minutes ago, Sortmeout said:

I think you are going too far with this now.

I doubt anything @AJF says now, short of posting a picture of himself with a tattoo saying “Rangers board and scum and the Celtic board are the best” would satisfy you.

What have I said that is too far? The points are reasonable and by all accounts pretty accurate.

His club have stood still on this until poked yet he is determined to staunchly point the finger of blame elsewhere. 

The full thing is a shambles and both clubs have to take some accountability for that but the current state of play at Ibrox is laughable and is doing nothing to advance the issue.

Makes you wonder if they really want to

Edited August 23 by Jinky67

[AJF]

12 hours ago, Jinky67 said:

There is a huge material difference. We applied within days of an agreement being made to allow away fans back in and blind to the date of the first game, what stopped Rangers from applying for permission at the same stage? f**k all by looks it, you have stalled and dragged your feet and again f**ked it for the fans and now only applying as Celtic went public. 

Thats the catalyst for your application now despite your mental gymnastics. You can posture as much as you want about the time before the first games but you are talking about planning applications which are notoriously slow and full of hoops to jump through. Anyone with a modicum of common sense would apply at the earliest opportunity 

 

 

You applied before us because you were due to host us first why can’t you understand that? Why on earth would we need to apply as early as you when we knew for a fact the first game at Ibrox between the two sides wouldn’t be until the new year?

The first meeting between Celtic and Rangers is always late August/early September (unless the league bow down to Celtic’s demands and push it back).

Rangers applying for planning permission now has made Celtic look like fools for denying us an allocation based on hypotheticals and assumptions.

Celtic have decided to lock fans out these two matches. Just own that decision.

[Jinky67]

2 hours ago, AJF said:

You applied before us because you were due to host us first why can’t you understand that? Why on earth would we need to apply as early as you when we knew for a fact the first game at Ibrox between the two sides wouldn’t be until the new year?

The first meeting between Celtic and Rangers is always late August/early September (unless the league bow down to Celtic’s demands and push it back).

Rangers applying for planning permission now has made Celtic look like fools for denying us an allocation based on hypotheticals and assumptions.

Celtic have decided to lock fans out these two matches. Just own that decision.

How utterly ridiculous. Are you honestly suggesting Rangers have watched it take 5 months for Celtic to still not having planning approved and then made a conscious decision to then try get it done in just 4 months when they aren’t even in their own stadium due to other works happening? Really

Rangers aren’t, never have been and never will be committed to this and they only applied for planning because they were goaded into it by Brendan Rodgers. So there was no assumption, Rangers hadn’t lifted a finger to move this process until pressed as has now been proven.