LincolnHearts Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathematics Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Shandon Par said: Cocaine sausages sound v tasty. Very moreish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 If all this new publicity means that we can all get more forensic insight from Gerry’s sister, surely it’s a good thing? Auntie Philomena has all the best info. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, I'm Brian said: Here's a journalist who has looked at length into the McCann case, comparing the differences between Madeleine McCann and Shannon Matthews (before it came to light it was a set up) Perhaps the difference is if you have a highly paid PR team behind you, controlling the narrative. That video is over an hour long. I ain’t watching that shit. In any event Shannon Matthews’ mother wasn’t widely derided before it turned out she was a liar - the difference in level of coverage and/or reward is a different issue from whether a working class couple would be in prison for neglect after one of their children was ostensibly abducted by a stranger. And to apply your earlier logic the search and PR for Shannon Matthews was superior as the child was found alive. Edited March 11, 2019 by The OP 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz FFC Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 hour ago, I'm Brian said: Here's a journalist who has looked at length into the McCann case, comparing the differences between Madeleine McCann and Shannon Matthews (before it came to light it was a set up) Perhaps the difference is if you have a highly paid PR team behind you, controlling the narrative. I was just away to ask what the hysteria was like when those dogs suggested a corpse in the hire car boot? It's been 12 years So apologies if I'm wrong but I seem to remember this being quite irrelevant and the press not making much of it at all. I assume if you have the right people telling the press what's important and what's not that's what you get. It really really annoys me the way the press control the way people think by pulling shit like this and things never seem to change. People go the whole of their lives reacting to stories in the press the way they're supposed too and never once stop to think outside the box for themselves. Humans are absolute sheep and that is showing no signs of changing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Gaz FFC said: I was just away to ask what the hysteria was like when those dogs suggested a corpse in the hire car boot? It's been 12 years So apologies if I'm wrong but I seem to remember this being quite irrelevant and the press not making much of it at all. I assume if you have the right people telling the press what's important and what's not that's what you get. It really really annoys me the way the press control the way people think by pulling shit like this and things never seem to change. People go the whole of their lives reacting to stories in the press the way they're supposed too and never once stop to think outside the box for themselves. Humans are absolute sheep and that is showing no signs of changing. That would be all well and good if there wasn’t a massive backlash against the McCanns as time went on and if there weren’t constant accusations and theories being flung about. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 18 minutes ago, The OP said: That video is over an hour long. I ain’t watching that shit. In any event Shannon Matthews’ mother wasn’t widely derided before it turned out she was a liar - the difference in level of coverage and/or reward is a different issue from whether a working class couple would be in prison for neglect after one of their children was ostensibly abducted by a stranger. And to apply your earlier logic the search and PR for Shannon Matthews was superior as the child was found alive. That's why I forwarded it 54 minutes to get to the relevant point. Your initial point was whether or not a middle class couple would be "dragged over the hot coals" in comparison to a working class couple. I'm relating that point to the media who definitely do treat the two different types of people differently, in any scenario. It isn't radical to suggest that the wealthy middle classes in this country are painted as being fine upstanding members of the community where as poor people who live in council estates are painted as drug addicted or alky scumbags. . We live in a country where class and how wealthy you are defines your standing in society. High earners are hard working and minimum wage earners are shirkers . We are still at a point in this country, as Gaz points out, where on the whole, the media drives the narrative and people swallow every line that comes out of the TV and newspapers. Here's another article that highlights the differences between the two cases https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/missing-children-and-the-media-the-wrong-kind-of-family-795007.html and it includes this quote from a senior police officer Quote "Editorial judgement is not something we can or should seek to influence. But it is correct that if you live in a deprived corner of a big city and you get murdered running with a gang then you will be a footnote. If you live in a nice house and your parents are professionals then the Daily Mail and everyone else will be knocking on your door." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) Shannon Matthews’ mother was not “dragged over hot coals” until she was found to have falsified her claims. There was less coverage and a lower reward for finding Shannon, that is true and is evidenced. It is also true that the abduction was a hoax which makes the article about Karen Matthews’ turmoil and bravery in the face of unfair questioning grimly ironic. My post was aimed at the asinine comments about how anyone poorer would have been jailed for neglect which always come up when this topic comes up but are never backed up by proper evidence. You seemed to get that initially. And someone being murdered with a clear motive in an area of high crime is deemed less newsworthy than a whodunnit involving a well off person. What an amazing revelation. Although it is quite ironic that the Mail are the ones being slagged when they were at the forefront of pushing the largely ignored murder of Stephen Lawrence as a major news story. And if you’re from an area of high crime and there is a clear motive never fear - you’ll still hit the headlines if you get shot in a busy ASDA car park or outside a primary school. Edited March 11, 2019 by The OP 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 In the UK maybe. In the US probably not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Stellaboz said: In the UK maybe. In the US probably not. True, which kinda supports the point that the novelty of a killing/abduction/disappearance or any other crime contributes a large part to its newsworthiness. I also think that when teenagers in Glasgow were stabbing each other in great frequency in the early 2000s it got a lot less attention than stabbings in London do right now. I don’t think that’s a question of class but rather the media looking for a cause célèbre or selling panic to as many people as possible. Edited March 11, 2019 by The OP 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonD Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 hour ago, The OP said: I also think that when teenagers in Glasgow were stabbing each other in great frequency in the early 2000s it got a lot less attention than stabbings in London do right now. I don’t think that’s a question of class but rather the media looking for a cause célèbre or selling panic to as many people as possible. No, it's because London is the centre of the universe and nothing that happens outside the M25 matters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverton End Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 The Scotland Yard investigation into the disappearance has cost £11.75m so far. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, Silverton End said: The Scotland Yard investigation into the disappearance has cost £11.75m so far. Bargain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 So, do people snort these cocaine sausages then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarley Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 So, do people snort these cocaine sausages then?Asking for a friend? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Swarley said: 6 hours ago, Dee Man said: So, do people snort these cocaine sausages then? Asking for a friend? No, myself. I think I want to try it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 10 hours ago, Silverton End said: The Scotland Yard investigation into the disappearance has cost £11.75m so far. Is there any way of finding out how much each investigation has cost, or do you need to request this shit under FOI? Just curious to see how much money has been spent on others who are missing abroad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsr Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 That money could have kept Rangers alive a little longer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverton End Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, The Moonster said: Is there any way of finding out how much each investigation has cost, or do you need to request this shit under FOI? Just curious to see how much money has been spent on others who are missing abroad. Honestly no idea, I heard that figure being discussed on a radio show. A staggering amount of money, it sticks in my mind because hundreds of people go missing every week with very little publicity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 29 minutes ago, Silverton End said: Honestly no idea, I heard that figure being discussed on a radio show. A staggering amount of money, it sticks in my mind because hundreds of people go missing every week with very little publicity. It does seem a ridiculous amount of money for 1 missing child, but without context of what is spent on others it's hard to say just how ridiculous it is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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