Freedom Farter Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 IDF snipers murdering Gazan children. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moniton Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Good news, Prince William has called for an immediate end to the fighting. So that's it then, upwards and onwards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 4 hours ago, Freedom Farter said: IDF snipers murdering Gazan children. The IDF have been executing Palestinian children in Gaza and the west bank for years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 On 10/02/2024 at 04:03, TxRover said: However, as long as Israel calls the Palestinian’s things like “vermin who need to be exterminated”, the relationship with other Arab States will be at least tenuous, and more often near absent. This is to appeal to the Israeli voter base which leans right currently. Much like rest of the west and beyond. A right wing leaning vote in the UK and US gives you Brexit and Trump. A right wing government in Israel gives you 'levelling Gaza'. And Hamas knew this perfectly well on October 7th. Israeli public opinion will not be as right wing as this forever so there will be a window of opportunity in the future but it might take a decade or so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Nothing links the far left and far right more than hating Jews. -8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 24 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: Nothing links the far left and far right more than hating Jews. Shut up you gimp 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) 3 hours ago, sparky88 said: This is to appeal to the Israeli voter base which leans right currently. Much like rest of the west and beyond. A right wing leaning vote in the UK and US gives you Brexit and Trump. A right wing government in Israel gives you 'levelling Gaza'. And Hamas knew this perfectly well on October 7th. Israeli public opinion will not be as right wing as this forever so there will be a window of opportunity in the future but it might take a decade or so. Rather depends on one's definition of 'right wing' or 'left wing'. For decades it's hardly been necessary to scratch the surface to find Arabs being openly referred to as vermin in the Knesset ( Parliament of Israel ). And the underlying Israeli acceptance of the necessity of a free, undominated Palestinian state has long been decidely murky ( to say the least ), regardless of the political labels. Edited February 20 by beefybake 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 The direction of travel has been abundantly clear for many, many years now, regardless of what political stripe you would describe the government as. The only difference is the speed in which it is carried out. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHF-23 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 15 hours ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: Nothing links the far left and far right more than hating Jews. You used to pretend you lived in Palo Alto and shared pictures of random women you found online pretending they were your girlfriend. It was better than this tragic nonsense 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 5 hours ago, GHF-23 said: You used to pretend you lived in Palo Alto and shared pictures of random women you found online pretending they were your girlfriend. It was better than this tragic nonsense You’re clearly obsessed with me yet none of those statements are true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHF-23 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 2 hours ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: You’re clearly obsessed with me yet none of those statements are true. I dunno mate, last time I mentioned it you coincidentally stopped posting on this website for 6 months which seems a bit of a slam dunk to me 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Survivor accounts from Rafah after an Israeli raid: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68355125 Shrapnel ripped through the tents. The profiled family saw the father, a farm labourer, killed in front of his wife and children. His 13 year old daughter lost an eye to shrapnel and was shot in the waist. An MSF doctor describes pieces of human flesh being blasted into her home from outside, including an entire limb coming in through a window. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 The Israeli economy contracted at an annualised 19.4% last quarter. Mainly down to calling up 300,000 reservists, evacuating 180,000 Israelis from border areas and restricting travel for West Bank Palestinians who work in the construction industry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 8 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said: The Israeli economy contracted at an annualised 19.4% last quarter. Mainly down to calling up 300,000 reservists, evacuating 180,000 Israelis from border areas and restricting travel for West Bank Palestinians who work in the construction industry. Somebody is going to make a fortune in the rebuilding of Gaza. Something tells me it won't be the Palestinians. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Off you fucking go then. Israel's Eurovision entry under scrutiny over alleged reference to Hamas - BBC News 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-immolation_of_Aaron_Bushnell That wikipedia link is worth clicking on for the photo alone. Its a striking image of Bushnell in his military fatigues on fire shortly before he died. Political stunts or protests need to have a strategic goal or else they're really just an exercise in self-expression. I think Bushnell's suicide by self-immolation here will definitely have some efficacy to it. However, it's not going to be like Mohamed Bouazizi, the Tunisian whose self-immolation kicked off the Tunisian Revolution in 2011. Americans have a very distant relationship with their own democracy. They've been conditioned to think their difficulties are nothing to do with government, indeed Reagan's "government is not the solution" mantra is still widely-believed. So if Americans don't scrutinise their state regarding their own suffering its going to be very hard to get them to scrutinise their state for the suffering of foreigners. This is why the foreign policy of the two US political parties is effectively the same, because most Americans are disengaged and demand nothing. So Bushnell's act here isn't going to inspire any kind of uprising in support of his cause. Yet it is going to become a potent symbol among the Americans who already cared. That photo from the Wikipedia page now won't go away. What Bushnell did will become another straw on the camel's back, with Biden being the camel in this metaphor. The amount of straws now piling up will surely break Biden's back soon. Edited February 27 by Freedom Farter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Quote A police officer approached the scene, aiming a gun at Bushnell off-camera and ordered him to "get on the ground" multiple times, while another officer yells "I don't need guns, I need fire extinguishers". 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 49 minutes ago, Freedom Farter said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-immolation_of_Aaron_Bushnell That wikipedia link is worth clicking on for the photo alone. Its a striking image of Bushnell in his military fatigues on fire shortly before he died. Political stunts or protests need to have a strategic goal or else they're really just an exercise in self-expression. I think Bushnell's suicide by self-immolation here will definitely have some efficacy to it. However, it's not going to be like Mohamed Bouazizi, the Tunisian whose self-immolation kicked off the Tunisian Revolution in 2011. Americans have a very distant relationship with their own democracy. They've been conditioned to think their difficulties are nothing to do with government, indeed Reagan's "government is not the solution" mantra is still widely-believed. So if Americans don't scrutinise their state regarding their own suffering its going to be very hard to get them to scrutinise their state for the suffering of foreigners. This is why the foreign policy of the two US political parties is effectively the same, because most Americans are disengaged and demand nothing. So Bushnell's act here isn't going to inspire any kind of uprising in support of his cause. Yet it is going to become a potent symbol among the Americans who already cared. That photo from the Wikipedia page now won't go away. What Bushnell did will become another straw on the camel's back, with Biden being the camel in this metaphor. The amount of straws now piling up will surely break Biden's back soon. Really? I think the Israelis will be more worried about the stains on the pavement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) US liberal media reaction to this has been as expected. MSNBC's coverage reminded me of Russian media's coverage of Navalny's death. A quick mention, no analysis, move on immediately. The Washington Post went for a bit more focus. However, they profiled Bushnell like they do terrorists. They listed his "normal" characteristics, such as being a Lord of the Rings fan, to then draw a contrast with his abnormal and extreme political belief of being against genocide. Edit: CNN were an exception (https://twitter.com/JoshuaPHilll/status/1762206067675861116). Credit to them for that. Edited February 27 by Freedom Farter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: If you don't stop being on fire, sir, I will be left with no choice but to shoot you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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