adam4267 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 what your excuse for this one then? What? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 What? for knowing nothing about Israels apartheid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 for knowing nothing about Israels apartheid. I don't know anything about apartheid in Israel. Why don't you tell me about it so I am ignorant no longer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I don't know anything about apartheid in Israel. Why don't you tell me about it so I am ignorant no longer. Its a legal definition of what blacks went through in SA and what Palestinians are still going through...with no lesser people than Nelson Mandela and Desmond TuTu calling what Isreal do , Apartheid.. Here educated yourself.. http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-makdisi-israel-apartheid-20140518-story.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Its a legal definition of what blacks went through in SA and what Palestinians are still going through...with no lesser people than Nelson Mandela and Desmond TuTu calling what Isreal do , Apartheid.. Here educated yourself.. http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-makdisi-israel-apartheid-20140518-story.html Why don't you explain it to me so that I, and everyone else in the thread will know? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Here you go , although I get the feeling only you and your fellow apologists wont get it.... Apartheid. .. According to Article II of that convention, the term applies to acts "committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them." Denying those others the right to life and liberty, subjecting them to arbitrary arrest, expropriating their property, depriving them of the right to leave and return to their country or the right to freedom of movement and of residence, creating separate reserves and ghettos for the members of different racial groups, preventing mixed marriages — these are all examples of the crime of apartheid specifically mentioned in the convention. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Oh and heres some ethnic cleansing quotes from various Israeli leaders about "the arab problem" http://www.israellawresourcecenter.org/websitematerials/mapsg/mapsg16zionistquotes.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Here you go , although I get the feeling only you and your fellow apologists wont get it.... Apartheid. .. According to Article II of that convention, the term applies to acts "committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them." Denying those others the right to life and liberty, subjecting them to arbitrary arrest, expropriating their property, depriving them of the right to leave and return to their country or the right to freedom of movement and of residence, creating separate reserves and ghettos for the members of different racial groups, preventing mixed marriages — these are all examples of the crime of apartheid specifically mentioned in the convention. You're right I don't get it, because you haven't explained it. All you've done is say what the definition of apartheid is. How does that apply to israel? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Yes, and backing the retention of the Orange state in Northern Ireland, the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, General Franco in Spain, Professor Snape at Hogwarts & any other pantomime baddie you wish to throw in the mix. Knee jerk assuming someone who holds an opinion on a matter you dislike intensely automatically means they will be in favour of any number of pet bête noires is silly at best, downright childish at worst. No it's based on the idea that certain people will support the oppressors over the oppressed based upon a perspective of 'western civilisation'. BTW I trust you are not using the term pantomime baddie to describe either the proponents of the apartheid regime or the government in Israel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 No it's based on the idea that certain people will support the oppressors over the oppressed based upon a perspective of 'western civilisation'. BTW I trust you are not using the term pantomime baddie to describe either the proponents of the apartheid regime or the government in Israel. It seems like quite an applicable term for Israel. Maybe they are bad in some respects but people seem to love shouting about how they are much worse than they really are, make up lots of lies about them, compare them to the very worst people in history - all while ignoring everything going on in other countries around them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 It seems like quite an applicable term for Israel. Maybe they are bad in some respects but people seem to love shouting about how they are much worse than they really are, make up lots of lies about them, compare them to the very worst people in history - all while ignoring everything going on in other countries around them. The worrying thing is that it would appear, that you actually believe this pish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 The worrying thing is that it would appear, that you actually believe this pish. By his own admission he knows "f**k all" about apartheid ,but he knows you're a liar if you compare Israels policy on Palestinians to white South Africa's on blacks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 By his own admission he knows "f**k all" about apartheid ,but he knows you're a liar if you compare Israels policy on Palestinians to white South Africa's on blacks. Not what I said (not like you to lie!) and also still waiting on you to tell me how Israel is apartheid. Considering the UN have an exact definition it shouldn't be too difficult. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Not what I said (not like you to lie!) and also still waiting on you to tell me how Israel is apartheid. Considering the UN have an exact definition it shouldn't be too difficult.Oh UN sorry,,A UN human rights investigator has accused Israel of ethnic cleansing and apartheid policies against Palestinians. Richard Falk, the UN special rapporteur on human rights in the Palestinian territories, said Israel carried out a "systematic and continued effort to change the ethnic composition of East Jerusalem". Falk, an 82-year-old American, said that in recent years Israel had made it more difficult for Palestinians to reside there while encouraging the building of new Jewish settlements, which are illegal under international law. Falk, an emeritus law professor at Princeton University, said that more than 11,000 Palestinians had lost their right to live in Jerusalem since 1996. "The 11,000 is just the tip of the iceberg because many more are faced with possible challenges to their residency rights," he said. Falk, who is Jewish, described Israeli policies as bearing "unacceptable characteristics of colonialism, apartheid and ethnic cleansing". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Even Israelis believe it.. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/the-new-israeli-apartheid-poll-reveals-widespread-jewish-support-for-policy-of-discrimination-against-arab-minority-8223548.html ....".....The poll, conducted by Israel's Dialog polling group, found that 59 per cent out of the 503 people questioned would like to see Jews given preference for public-sector jobs, while half would like to see Jews better treated than Arabs. Just over 40 per cent would like to see separate housing and classrooms for Jews and Arabs. The findings "reflect the widespread notion that Israel, as a Jewish State, should be a state that favours Jews," wrote Noam Sheizaf, an Israeli journalist and blogger. "They are also the result of the occupation … After almost half a century of dominating another people, it's no surprise that most Israelis don't think Arabs deserve the same rights." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Even Israelis believe it.. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/the-new-israeli-apartheid-poll-reveals-widespread-jewish-support-for-policy-of-discrimination-against-arab-minority-8223548.html ....".....The poll, conducted by Israel's Dialog polling group, found that 59 per cent out of the 503 people questioned would like to see Jews given preference for public-sector jobs, while half would like to see Jews better treated than Arabs. Just over 40 per cent would like to see separate housing and classrooms for Jews and Arabs. The findings "reflect the widespread notion that Israel, as a Jewish State, should be a state that favours Jews," wrote Noam Sheizaf, an Israeli journalist and blogger. "They are also the result of the occupation … After almost half a century of dominating another people, it's no surprise that most Israelis don't think Arabs deserve the same rights." So a poll shows that people want to see these kind of things happen. That means they're not already happening now does it not? Apartheid - according to your own definition - is "committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them" How does that apply? Which racial group is being 'systematically opressed'? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 A question for the terrorism supporters - what do you think the Israeli/Palestinian problem will look like in 50 year's time? Not what you would like to happen, what do you realistically expect? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 A question for the terrorism supporters - what do you think the Israeli/Palestinian problem will look like in 50 year's time? Not what you would like to happen, what do you realistically expect?I'm not sure there is anybody to answer that question here. Perhaps you can give your opinion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 A question for the terrorism supporters - what do you think the Israeli/Palestinian problem will look like in 50 year's time? Not what you would like to happen, what do you realistically expect? That's impossible to know, because new problems might crop up, which we cannot conceive of right now. However, I'm fairly sure Israel won't exist (if at all) in it's current form. Certainly not as a "Jewish state". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 So a poll shows that people want to see these kind of things happen. That means they're not already happening now does it not? Apartheid - according to your own definition - is "[/size]committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them" How does that apply? Which racial group is being 'systematically opressed'? Fox news would be embarrassed to come out half the guff you spout. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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