mathematics Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 That committee should tell the UKRI, and the minister, to go f**k themselves, in the most diverse way possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Just now, mathematics said: That committee should tell the UKRI, and the minister, to go f**k themselves, in the most diverse way possible. The union has, at least https://www.ucu.org.uk/media/14171/Michelle-Donelan-UKIRacademic-freedom-letter-30-Oct-23/pdf/20231030_Michelle_Donelan.pdf 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathematics Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, scottsdad said: The union has, at least https://www.ucu.org.uk/media/14171/Michelle-Donelan-UKIRacademic-freedom-letter-30-Oct-23/pdf/20231030_Michelle_Donelan.pdf Fucking lovely use of “febrile”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 33 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Trouble brewing in academia because of this. UKRI, which funds most UK research, brought together a panel of people on equality, diversity and inclusion. A couple of members of this committee on twitter made some comments about the conflict. Specifically, a link to a Guardian article about Suella Braverman wanting police to crackdown on protestors - one academic replied saying that was disturbing. Another academic wrote something else also. Michelle Donelan (the science minister) then wrote to UKRI quite hysterically demanding that the whole committee be removed...and the UKRI folded like a pack of cards. They have suspended the entire committee and will look at how it managed EDI in future. 2500 academics have signed an open letter condemning this. There are calls to boycott reviewing bids (which would essentially shut down university research). The same Michelle Donelan who has spoken in the past about the need for free speech in universities. Don’t you lot have some sort of free speech Tsar that will sort this all out? You know because free and open debate is a cornerstone of democracy or something. Maybe that’s only a trans thing -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 22 hours ago, virginton said: US intelligence clearly did not know that an attack would happen on September 11th 2001. Unless you think that they deliberately placed the President and Commander in Chief in an unsecured school room at the time of this known attack - where he stayed inexplicably frozen by reports of the event. And also allowed terrorists to fly a plane into the fucking Pentagon itself for... batshit mental, conspiracist reasons. But yep, instead of prioritising the security of those key institutions of American power, they instead circled the wagons around, err, the mayor of San Francisco. I think from having watched a lot of interviews with CIA and FBI sources at the time that they had an interest in some of the hijackers, but had no idea what they had planned or that they had an imminent attack on the US planned either. Where it gets murky is the stuff around the state assistance given to some of the hijackers by the Saudi government. There is a school of thought that one government did know about the 9/11 plans and it wasnt the US, it was the Saudis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, virginton said: What would be the benefit to US Intelligence to have their Commander in Chief gurning like a clown in front of TV cameras instead of responding to a national emergency? Why - if intelligence services had knowledge that an attack by Al Qaeda was imminent - would they assume that the attacks they knew about were the only attacks planned? Which is where your '1,000 miles from safety' claim falls apart. And what benefit accrued to US intelligence by having a fucking plane smash into the Pentagon and arbitrarily destroying and killing key US infrastructure and personnel? This is why historians apply logic and reason to weigh 'first-hand accounts' and bin the ones that are clearly nonsense. Just as a court discounts 'eyewitness testimony' that does not match the rest of the evidence, or stand up to scrutiny. Anyone saying that Israel's security services knew about the attack and made a conscious decision to let Hamas proceed is either an anti-Semite, or an absolute fucking moron. You can sort yourself into whichever category you choose. Or both. Edited November 2, 2023 by DeeTillEhDeh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 2 hours ago, scottsdad said: The same Michelle Donelan who has spoken in the past about the need for free speech in universities. Yes but not THIS kind of free speech! The sort of free speech that allows you to trample the equality act is all her protestations have been about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Scroll down to see the interview. I cannot think of anyone in our media who would persevere in this way. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/cnn-host-asks-netanyahu-adviser-to-estimate-deaths-in-refugee-camp_uk_6543a9a8e4b0cde80b8bdbe5 -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTQP1867 Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: I think from having watched a lot of interviews with CIA and FBI sources at the time that they had an interest in some of the hijackers, but had no idea what they had planned or that they had an imminent attack on the US planned either. Where it gets murky is the stuff around the state assistance given to some of the hijackers by the Saudi government. There is a school of thought that one government did know about the 9/11 plans and it wasnt the US, it was the Saudis. There is an ongoing case involving the 9/11 Families v the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia moving through the New York Court system - I'm sure the recent Saudi investment in global sports is nothing other than co-incidental: https://www.propublica.org/article/sept-11-family-lawsuit-saudi-spy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 33 minutes ago, CTQP1867 said: There is an ongoing case involving the 9/11 Families v the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia moving through the New York Court system - I'm sure the recent Saudi investment in global sports is nothing other than co-incidental: https://www.propublica.org/article/sept-11-family-lawsuit-saudi-spy Yep, i dont want to derail this thread any more but yes, im aware of that trial, theres a lot of evidence around Saudi officials doing work to get the hijackers accomodated in California and integrated with a mosque there, cant remember all the details but it seems pretty damning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Big team found, I guess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Someone deleting posts? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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superbigal Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 Blinken meets Netanyahu to push for 'concrete steps' to protect Gaza civilians Not sure myself apart from where the concrete steps have been blown to smithereens. Must be better things to request ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/03/war-israel-hamas-conflict-peace-extremists A pretty even-handed and rational assessment of the politics, but the closing argument that a two state solution is the long-term answer looks for the birds now. Meanwhile IDF has been targeting terrorist ambulances, whatever they are. At least they're not flat-out obfuscating or denying that claim, which suggests there is some response to international pressure by providing transparency. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 7 hours ago, superbigal said: Blinken meets Netanyahu to push for 'concrete steps' to protect Gaza civilians Not sure myself apart from where the concrete steps have been blown to smithereens. Must be better things to request ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 19 hours ago, Freedom Farter said: What is the meaning of "deep dive " here please ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Ewanandmoreagain said: What is the meaning of "deep dive " here please ? Twitter buzzphrase. It means "studied or analysed in detail". Edit: If you meant you couldn't access the linked article, here: https://archive.ph/3k8C3 Edited November 3, 2023 by Freedom Farter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Ewanandmoreagain said: What is the meaning of "deep dive " here please ? It’s kinda like a press quango, for a comparison. It’s not the same, but in principle it’s close…it’s a few reporters getting together with a bunch of experts in the field to sort out what is known and/or provable, and then producing a feature on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 12 hours ago, virginton said: Meanwhile IDF has been targeting terrorist ambulances, whatever they are. Terrorist ambulances are used to transport terrorist old dears from their terrorist care homes over to their terrorist Bingo Hall. HTH 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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