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16 minutes ago, Grandmas Enigma said:
So many teams including two already promoted joined EoS after the lowland leagues inception, since the lowland league has solidified itself. So it’s fair to say ‘the leap of faith’ was joining when it was perceived as a risky venture. Which clearly stopped many teams from joining when it was easier. There was always the understanding that the first season would have no promotion/relegation and the following season would. But still the majority were not interested in taking the ‘risk’ until it was safe.
The risk involved in joining the Lowland League in its first season varied massively depending on which league the club was playing in at the time. There was very little risk involved in 9 EoS clubs joining the league and continuing to play mostly the same teams as before and remaining in the senior set up with a chance of possible promotion in the future to the SPFL. There was more risk for Threave and Dalbeattie who had already tried out the EoS and gone back to the SoS but they still had the option to go back to the SoS if it didn't work out (as Threave did when they resigned from the Lowland League). I can't see any risk at all for East Kilbride who took advantage of the opportunity.
There was huge risk involved for any of the big West/East junior clubs in giving up their position in the juniors and moving to the Lowland League just like Kelty took a big risk in moving to the EoS.
"Leap of faith" seems like a strong term for what the original 12 clubs did in joining the league. Again, credit to the clubs who started in the Lowland League in the first season and helped set up the pyramid for the future. They had to work on their grounds, get licensed etc. Regardless, that's really a separate discussion to clubs voting against increased relegation and voting in favour of B teams. It doesn't really matter what happened in 2013 when we're talking about the future of the league.
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34 minutes ago, ekok said:
Hi just one simple comment. If the teams that formed the original Lowland League had not taken a leap of faith, most unlikely there would even be a Pyramid. Yes it has its faults, including promotion / relegation all the way through.
To read posters talking about " get rid of the rubbish, etc " is as offensive as it is uninformed. Some excellent posts on this thread as well, maybe if more people took a more positive take on where we are, rather than cloud cloud cuckoo land we might actually get an improved set up ,
I don't think it was much of a leap of faith. The first season was essentially a glorified EoS Premier plus East Kilbride (EK clearly had nothing to lose by joining). Credit to the clubs involved in forming the league but I'm struggling to see the leap of faith involved.
People complaining about potentially 0 relegation slots in the Lowland League or others being positive about the pyramid isn't going to change things. That comes down to the clubs themselves being willing to vote for increased relegation, vote against B teams etc. So far, clearly, the majority are unwilling to do so.
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Stirling & District down to 10 (Braehead gone).
Ayrshire Premier down to 10 (KFA gone)
Greenock gone from Saturday Morning (many teams have folded from the league this season but it still has a huge number of clubs across many divisions)
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9 hours ago, Crazy Feet said:
St Pats and Campsie Minerva joining The Caley.
The Scottish Premier AFL is really struggling. The Central Scottish finished last year with 19 clubs. When St. Pats and Campsie Minerva leave, there will be just 9 of those clubs left in the Scottish Premier AFL.
Caley - St. Pats, Campsie Minerva, Dunipace, Drumchapel
Greater Glasgow - Garrowhill Thistle
Saturday Morning - Third Lanark
Folded - Lesmahagow, Castlemilk Dynamo, Wishaw HSFPs, Holytown Colts
It's starting to look like the Central Scottish has given up its position as possibly the strongest league with the merger and now be clearly behind the Caley. I suppose whatever is left of the league in a few years time might eventually merge with the Caley anyway...
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1 minute ago, realmadrid said:
The comment was more directed at the person who just wanted the WOSL to replace the Lowland league totally forgetting the EOSL many of who's members showed the ambition to move into the pyramid when many clubs in the west were happy to sit in their own Junior bubble
Sure, and that's a ridiculous suggestion. EoS clearly still ahead for now with WoS still to catch up when more clubs get licensed (when the SFA finally open it up again...). The EoS have certainly been a good example for the pyramid so far whereas the Lowland League have been the opposite so far in terms of self-preservation and the B teams "one season only" saga.
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2 hours ago, realmadrid said:
That's the west of Scotland league that's Champion club has yet to win a single play off against the East of Scotland champion
Has there not only been one playoff so far? That's not exactly a big statement yet.
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1 minute ago, Autistisches Nilpferd said:
The Yes voters and the B teams should eff off somewhere. Get the top of the East and West in the Lowland League and let the rest of us on with it.
Give it a few more years and that will happen eventually. What with the 0 guaranteed relegation places, however, it won't happen very quickly.
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1 minute ago, To B or not B said:
Rumours through this way are that they were a yes, unconfirmed right enough, but that’s what the word is.
Could well be Caley Braves that voted no as they had fans vote on it and they voted no last year after consulting fans. A bit shocked if Cowdenbeath voted yes considering all the other ex-SPFL and ex-juniors have come out against it.
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1 minute ago, Halfwit8 said:
Gretna never bothered to vote
They were never going to vote no anyway.
Just now, Jordi1977 said:So confirmed good guys...
Albion Rovers
Berwick Rangers
East Stirling
Tranent
Linlithgow Rose
Bo'ness United
And one other... Edin Uni would be the guess?
And someone abstained...? Any ideas who?
Cowdenbeath, Civil Service and Caley Braves have all voted no in the past (and rumoured that Edinburgh Uni did last time).
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1 minute ago, To B or not B said:
Vote has passed 8-7 according to a message I have just received. The yes voters should hang their heads, only interested in the money, rats.
No shock based on how things have gone so far. Same old clubs continuing to vote yes for the (limited) money it brings in. Give it another year or so and the vote would almost certainly be no hence they've gone for a two year proposal this time.
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Safe to say that Bo'ness and Tranent will be against it as well so at least 6 no votes with another 3 needed. Presumably, the proposal is for two years as they realise the yes vote is gradually getting relegated out of the league and being replaced by no votes. I feel like a vote next year would likely be no but not confident about today.
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4 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said:
Caley Braves have shared the PDF proposal from the league here:
https://www.caledonianbraves.com/news/vote-on-the-inclusion-of-b-teams
Same thing happened last year with them putting it fans and they voted no so hopefully the same this year.
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Hopefully the clubs that vote in favour will release statements and explain their reasons. Could be a long wait.
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2 hours ago, seenitall said:
Maybe they have done so , but never seen confirmation of that from BU .
2021 confirmation:
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1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said:
Think Edinburgh Uni have been good guys on this issue in the past.
I think Caledonian Braves voted against it last time as well.
Confirmation here from last time: https://www.caledonianbraves.com/news/club-statement-b-teams-in-slfl
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1 hour ago, Dunning1874 said:
With no threat of the Conference League for the gullible to fall for/cynical to hide behind this time, it'll be clear that anyone voting Yes to this just wants B Teams there. Hopefully that's enough to end this nonsense for good.
I'd love for you to be right but I still think a yes vote is probably the favourite at this stage. Hopefully the ex-junior and ex-SPFL clubs all vote against it and only another two no votes would be needed.
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5 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said:
SFA recently declared new licence applications will resume next year but not until June. Unsure if Beith - who are now looking at lighting - got in before Oct 2022.
Any reason given for this?
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4 minutes ago, GallowayBlue said:
Is it a simple majority of the 16 teams with someone from the league having a casting vote?
So essentially need 9 against? Is that doable?
Not sure on the exact details but it was 10-5 last for B teams to enter in 2023/24 with some clubs using the excuse of the Conference League threat to vote yes.
Edit: 2022/23 was an 8-8 split "The secret ballot produced an 8-8 split, but the motion was carried thanks to Lowland League chairman Thomas Brown’s casting vote." https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/tranent-reveal-how-they-voted-after-lowland-league-accepts-celtic-hearts-and-rangers-b-teams-3723404
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At least this has helped with youth development at Hearts as many youngsters have been given a chance after performing well for the B team.
Oh, actually, basically none of them ever play.
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1 hour ago, Willie adie said:
Which player has played for most amount of top division clubs in Scotland since 1975-76 season
Off the top of my head I'm thinking
Paul Wright, Aberdeen, Hibs, st Johnstone, Kilmarnock.
Billy Dodds. Dundee, st Johnstone, Aberdeen, Dundee utd, Rangers.
Tommy Coyne .dundee utd, Dundee, Celtic , Motherwell, hearts,
Tony watt Celtic, hearts , Dundee utd, st Mirren,
Tommy Coyne didn't play for Hearts.
Jim Hamilton must be up there. Dundee, Hearts, Aberdeen, Dundee United, Dunfermline, Livingston, Motherwell and St. Mirren. Not sure if he actually played for Dundee in the Premier (possibly just the first) but definitely Premier with the rest.
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Have licensing applications opened up again? Haven't heard any news for months. Any West teams possibly going for one?
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1 hour ago, Crazy Feet said:
I can see them in the Development Section of the SMAFA? Looks like they have moved leagues. Makes sense as they were getting hammered every week.
Ah, yes perhaps they've simply moved leagues and are back to 0 games. Hell of a lot of games to catch up on in that case.
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On 04/11/2023 at 16:24, stanley said:
Blackhall become the seventh club of the season gone from the Saturday Morning AFL this season.
Notre Dame the eighth. The league is still going strong with 68 clubs so not facing challenges quite as big as the Saturday afternoon leagues.
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51 minutes ago, drs said:
Was nothing to do with the rammy - after that the home keeper and a Pace player went for the ball and the Whitburn keeper looked to get a serious leg injury.
He was about half way and you could hear his agony from behind the goal.
Sorry to hear that. Was very hard to tell from the Twitter feed as no other details were given than the tweet above.
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scottish amateur cup 23/24
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Fixtures are here: https://www.scottishamateurfa.co.uk/fixture/cup_id/4