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2 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:
Another change that should be made is ditching the champions only angle for the playoffs. Top licensed clubs from each feeder league as long as they are top three would be my suggestion on that.
I've been an advocate of this for ages and it mirrors what they used to do in some of the lower leagues in England. The licensed west clubs shouldn't be penalised because an unlicensed club wins the league ahead of them (and could win the league for several years in a row). Same applies to the east although that seems far less likely to happen as more of the clubs are licensed and most of the top ones are.
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Giffnock SC gone from the Caley 1st Division. Down to 26 teams.
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You can take another one off that list as Castemilk Dynamo have folded. Of the 19 teams who finished last season in the Central Scottish, only 12 are left in the Scottish Premier (three have folded and four have moved to other leagues).
LEAFA down to 37 with Balerno folding.
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The Scottish Premier AFA seems a bit unstable at the moment. Already lost 8 or 9 teams from the Central Scottish or Scottish AFL (either because they folded or joined other leagues). Every clash between former Central Scottish and Scottish AFL sides ended in the Central Scottish team hammering the opposition as well. 27-0 and 12-0 are crazy results. Interesting to see how the season goes.
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Maybe they can change their name back to Shettleston after this saga ends and pretend it had nothing to do with them...
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Although they lost, that seems like a better scoreline for Edinburgh Uni than might have been predicted based on last season.
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3 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:
Is that just Camelon, Armadale, Bathgate, Stoneyburn, and West Calder for EoS teams?
Pumpherston as well.
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On 23/06/2023 at 11:01, Kennie said:
We actually had 9 new entrants but lost 2 entrants from last season.
Hall Russell and Whitehills as you said.
St Cadoc’s and Finnart as new members from the West.
Kello Rovers returning after a ban. Rossvale and Pollok competing as non-members as allowed in the new rules.
Pumpherston returning to the competition and Camelon returning to membership from the East.
A total of 9 new clubs.
Syngenta folded and Harthill Royal did not take up Junior membership.
A loss of 2, making it a gain of 7.
Of the increase in Byes into the Second Round we gained 6 and lost one.
Beith as winners of the West Premier, Culter as Winners of the North Premier,
Carluke, Glenafton, (New Members of SFA) & Pollok, Camelon. (SFA Full members that did not participate last season).
We lost Syngenta.
Footnote - In the West of Scotland it now has the same priority as the South Region Challenge Cup, the Strathclyde Cup and the West of Scotland League Cup. As voted for at the WoSFL AGM.
Livingston United are in the Alex Jack Cup draw. Another team to add to the loss list?
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Steve Clarke had the Scotland squad watching videos of Celtic B v Gretna before the Norway game for inspiration. The only reason we managed to win.
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I don't normally want clubs to go out of business (Old Firm aside) but won't be shedding any tears if BSC Glasgow/Alloa/Cumbernauld/Dumbarton/Open Goal Broomhill/Broomhill are gone from the leagues for good. A total farce of a club.
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12 hours ago, BuddyZero said:
My point is starting at the bottom and having to work their way up would provide an air of respectibility to their introduction that elbowing their way in at tier 5 for a pittance does not.
I don't think it would. It would just delay the inevitable of them reaching the Lowland League whilst blocking promotions spots for various teams on the way up (e.g. imagine Rangers and Celtic B getting promoted each season in the WoS and leaving only promotion spot for regular teams). I think it would also help their case for promotion to the SPFL. "We've worked our way up fairly through promotions and should be entitled to more promotions like any other club". At least them being in the Lowland League (which should never have happened in the first place) has the whole no promotion/relegation rule clearly in place for them. My problem with B teams is not only about them buying their way into the Lowland League, it's that they shouldn't be in the pyramid in the first place.
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55 minutes ago, Gordon EF said:
The name change has to go down as one of the most bizarre, pointless, and shite decions in Scottish football of recent times.
Second most bizarre after Rossvale trying to change to Caledonian Thistle.
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You can see the lineup for the new Scottish Premier AFA here: https://scottishpremierafa.leaguerepublic.com/fg/1_890462462.html
13 team Premier (10 from Central Scottish, 3 from Scottish AFL)
16 team First (4 from Central Scottish, 10 from Scottish AFL, BSC Glasgow and Hamilton Bohemians join)
6 teams gone (Drumchapel & Dunipace to Caley, Third Lanark & Glynhill Moorcraft to Saturday Morning, Garrowhill Thistle to Greater Glasgow, not sure about Holytown Colts).
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11 hours ago, HibeeJibee said:
Fortnight ago I saw an entertaining promotion/relegation playoff Coldstream Ams v St Boswells (B #10 v C #3), went to ET & pens.
Turns it it was pointless: they've gone from A-B-C 10-10-8 to A-B 13-13
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Berwick Colts and Hawick Colts gone from the league.
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51 minutes ago, craigkillie said:
If they were expanding to 18 they should still be relegating a club and promoting three.
No chance. The Lowland League would love no relegation.
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Although I'm glad there is one less B team in the Lowland League, I'm not going to celebrate the news too much. The statement isn't what I'd call positive in terms of long-term prospects and they are clearly still looking for something more than the Lowland League and have the backing of some of those running the game.
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If the WoS are not able to manage any more clubs then something should be done below the WoS to give clubs an opportunity. That would likely require the SFA to take some kind of ownership and care about anything other than the Old Firm so I wouldn't expect anything to happen soon.
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9 minutes ago, holmparkheroes said:
Firstly, I am uncomfortable with voting teams in, sounds too much like the Lowland League in recent seasons, but secondly, the SPFL have a definitive number of clubs as do Highland/Lowland Leagues. Given that the WoSFL is administered by volunteers perhaps going past the 80 (5x16) makes it too difficult to govern. Any prospective clubs beneath the WoSFL (ammies/boys clubs) could set up their own league with promotion/relegation to and from the 4th division WoSFL.. The WoSFL shouldn’t have to run everything below the Lowland League.
Those leagues have a set number of clubs but have relegation (albeit inadequate) in place and leagues below them. The WoS fourth division is the bottom of the pyramid with no route in other than by being accepted at an AGM. Different argument entirely from the number of clubs in the SPFL.
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3 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:
Glensmad has been careful not to state that in any of his posts AFAIA and has mentioned applications being open again at the next AGM so the five divisions of 16 limit thing is only an inference that certain posters are making at this point.
Much the same posse of posters who are doing this used to be firmly convinced that there was a rigid boundary between pyramid leagues at all levels on a line of latitude through the Tay Bridge even though it was only in the Club 42 playoff rules and nowhere else.
It's Scottish football, weird and wacky things can and are likely to keep happening. Dumbarton St Pats should keep applying and see what happens next time in other words. Maybe if there had been three applicants who met the requirements there would have been more appetite for extending the 4th division beyond 16?
Sure but, whatever the case, it seems odd to have a vote between two teams rather than admit them both and it's hard to know what can change between now and next season other than potentially a WoS team going up and an EoS/SoS team coming down, reducing the bottom tier to 15 clubs.
I have no idea what the connection is between this and the rigid boundaries or why it's being brought up.
Yes, it's possible that a few applicants could have changed the situation but, other than splitting the bottom tier into two divisions, I don't there's a lot of options if more than a couple of new clubs are accepted.
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1 minute ago, LongTimeLurker said:
There's also the possibility of running parallel conferences for the bottom tier like the EoS did. For example, if there were 20 clubs to accommodate then two conferences of 10 with 2 × 9 games against clubs from the same conference and 10 against clubs in the other conference = 28 games overall could be the format.
Think all the talk of closed shops is a bizarre overreaction to what just happened when there is very little likelihood that the WoS will be able to stay at 80 clubs without adding some new members in the years ahead. WoS clubs are going to be more likely to be promoted into the LL than relegated into it for at least the next decade or so because after Linlithgow Rose there's not a lot of quality left in the east at tier 6 now.
The post stated that the club met the requirements but only club was alliwed in heavily suggesting they wouldn't go beyond five divisions of 16. Could be wrong information of course but that is what people are reacting to.
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St Patrick's might be careful about what they put out online if they are hoping to get into the WoS in the future. Absolutely bizarre to be turning clubs away from the pyramid despite them meeting the requirements. The 80 club rule also doesn't work given how the leagues work with numbers changing based on Lowland League promotion/relegation.
Won't do the WoS any favours when arguing for automatic promotion to the LL although they are separate issues.
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Why did this banjo country joke become a thing in every post? Tired of reading it already.
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1 hour ago, FairWeatherFan said:
https://www.wosfl.co.uk/newsArticle/strathclyde_demolition_cup.html
Looks like St Cadoc's, Giffnock, Rossvale, Kilsyth Athletic and Finnart have turned Junior and Kello Rovers either returned to the SJFA or excluded after last season's walkover.
EDIT: Just noticed only 7 ties in Round One shown. So 2 of those clubs must still be in the draw.
Preliminary Round
Eglinton v Glenvale
Round One
Eglinton or Glenvale v Easterhouse
Thorn Athletic v St Peter's
Knightswood v Whitletts Victoria
West Park United v Renfrew
Forth Wanderers v BSC Glasgow
Port Glasgow Juniors v Neilston
Drumchapel United v Campbeltown Pupils
Kilsyth Athletic v Giffnock is the final R1 tie.
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1 hour ago, EK man said:
Knightswood narrowly defeated St Patrick's in the vote.
Knightswoid now a member of WoSFL.
Surely it wasn't a vote with only one team allowed in? What would the WoS do if a west-based side gets relegated from the Lowland League and an EoS team goes up? Kick a team out of the league to keep it at 16 teams in each division? Couldn't they look at having two leagues in the bottom tier in the future if they have too many clubs?
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Lowland League General Discussion
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Great post. In the context of Scottish football and clubs generally protecting themselves, it is pretty incredible that the EoS did what they did. They could easily have clung onto their places in the Premier and it could have been several years before they finally got relegated and everything balanced out. They did what was best for the league.
Hopefully, with the clubs involved in the Lowland League gradually changing, we'll see a vote passed to open up more relegation. Two automatic spots should be a certainty.