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Just now, whereismillar said:
Yeah but they will still vote the kents in won't they !
Without a doubt.
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In times of crisis, you really get a measure of how much shit the Govt actually gives about it's citizens.
They're off to a poor start.
If they start bailing out big business whilst leaving cafe and pub owners to rot after hanging them out to dry tonight, the poor start will get worse.....
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6 minutes ago, Mucho said:
I never said they would, you asked why and I explained their rights. I shared my experience merely as an example.
No true fan should be demanding this season be null and void as it could and most likely will open several cans of worms. BT and Sky entered a contract for a league. A full league and the likelihood is they won’t get one so are entitled to claim back fees. It doesn’t just stop there, sponsors and billboard advertising could conceivably look for remuneration and nobody could argue they’d be owed it if the outcome was to be null and void.
Nobody will be claiming back fees which could potentially put clubs under.
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14 minutes ago, Mucho said:
Perhaps they won’t but if they wanted to and went about it the correct way they’d be more successful than Ann Budge will be. They purchased a season ticket for x amount of competitive league games and are entitled to compensation for any not fulfilled if the season is not complete. If those played become null and void rendering them nothing more than a friendly it could be argued they are entitled to a full refund. Not fit for purpose.
I phoned virgin on Saturday afternoon to ask for a reduction on my sky and bt sport subscription and they asked if I minded telling them why. Told them it was because there was no football coverage. They said they were still providing the channels and no deduction could be made, I argued that they were no longer providing me with what I subscribed for and to put me through to cancellations. Once there I was told I still had 4 months of my contract to go and there would be a charge. I insisted they cancel my complete tv, phone and broadband package and I’d be cancelling my payment through the bank immediately and if they wanted a penny more they’d need to take legal action and hung up. 3 hours later someone else called me back and asked if I would be happy to reconsider and offered me the service free until the football coverage returned.
No true fan of a club will be demanding refunds which could harm the future of that club. Some will have to do the opposite and pay in a bit more to keep them afloat.
Not sure what you're experience of cancelling your pay TV package has to do with this.
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3 minutes ago, newcastle broon said:
Well looks like we are quick out the traps to say we are in bother!
Home games (especially a Saturday) against the likes of Penicuik,Boness and Linlithgow are big games financially for the club.
https://www.whitehillwelfare.co.uk/news/covid-19-impact-2522761.html
Maybe the SFA need to look at delaying licencing requirements for the time being to allow clubs breathing space, and divert funds as appropriate.
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1 minute ago, glensmad said:17 minutes ago, Dev said:Then Glencairn should get their application in - to support the Lowland League's negotiating position?
Glencairn have not yet met as a committee to decide what we are doing.
You guys might now have to Google "Skype" in order to get a meeting organised
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30 minutes ago, Mucho said:
I wonder if those screaming null and void realise that ALL customers associated with the game would be entitled to a refund.
Why would I be entitled to a refund to a game that has been played? I'm not sure many fans will be requesting refunds on the balance of their ST.
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35 minutes ago, G4Mac said:
Whilst I agree the that the wosfl is the most important thing, which is really good btw, I am overly cynical when it is anything sjfa related.
Historically they have said and done 2 different things to fill their own ego/pockets.
I hope it is different in this case, I truly do, but there is no better predictor of future behaviour than previous behaviour.
I hope I am wrong, as I say, I'm a sjfa cynic and think they will do and say anything to stay relevant and may become difficult to deal with in the long term, if allowed too much leeway.Spot on.
I think it's worth pointing out that people who have dealt first hand with Junior officialdom for years have alarm bells ringing with things that on the face of it might be a reasonable compromise to those who haven't.
When you have the SJFA's only full time employee phoning clubs demanding to know who that person is on P&B, and demanding them be banned, or demanding posts be removed etc then you're a little wary of those kind of people being involved with the Pyramid.
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13 minutes ago, parsforlife said:
As long as needed
That's just not practical.
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1 minute ago, lowenan said:
Teams have played the matches, invested in the season. Some with success, some without. That’s part of football. Take away promotion and relegation, take away everything we have played for, and not much is left. And if Corona second wave comes next March, will we void again?
How long do you allow for the 2019-20 season to be finished?
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Just now, Che Dail said:
Agreed - not sure where any reassurances or certainty will come from though - can't see any firm decisions being made within the next 4-6 weeks at least.
I see a 21 year old footballer in Malaga has died, believed to be the youngest victim in Europe so far. He was diagnosed with the virus and at that point they also diagnosed him with leukemia which he didn't know he had.
There's no way we'll resume football until we can be sure we're over the worst of it, no football authority is going to take the risk.
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4 minutes ago, Che Dail said:
No, I don't believe so.
As I understand it, the contract is effectively 'suspended' but the player is still under contract. The clubs have not broken the terms - there is no breach because the players are unable to fulfill their obligations undertaken due to the actions of the Association, as is expressly stated in the Player Agreement.
Another issue is many players contracts expiring on 30th June, and players who have already signed contracts with new clubs for next season beginning 1st July. Clubs and players need some form of certainly over this season so they can plan and make decisions on signings and releasing players, also on player budgets.
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3 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:
You haven't begun debating. Just bleated about people calling you names whilst remaining miraculously unaware of the irony of it.
Irony? try and calm yourself.
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Strathclyde Uni have not registered an interest (as of last week) in the WoSFL.
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1 minute ago, Jerry Macguire said:
Yeah but the PFA is the players union. Don't think they decide anything.
Nope.
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1 minute ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:
Yes there are thousands of pages. I, nor anyone else, is going to go back and read every single post to deduce what you disagree with in amongst your snide comments to anyone who dare disagree with you.
So, humour me please, can you surmise what parts of the agreement, as I understand it, you take particular issue with?My comments are now "snide"? thanks, but I won't bother going any further if that is your level of debate.
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2 minutes ago, Jerry Macguire said:
Do they decide these sort of things?
I would have thought it is for each individual league body to decide a course of action based upon their own set of circumstances.
People musing on twitter about Leagues and Associations waiting for UEFA to tell them what to do, it's a bit of a cop out.
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Just now, AsimButtHitsASix said:
Is there really any need for dodging the question?
Let's be honest you have been very vociferous in your arguments against the Juniors and, 90% of the time, have been bang on the money but as soon as anyone disagrees with you, on any topic, you are not above insults yourself. You've failed to actually state what you have against this compromise apart from "juniors bad".I think what you have written and concluded is wrong, and there is pages and pages worth of debate on here for you to understand why.
What isn't needed is playing the man instead of the ball. Disagree by all means, a great many people do, but try and keep it civil.
We may have another 5 months without any football.
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5 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:
Try not to get too upset at everyone pointing and laughing at your heid's gone moment but, c'mon then, what reasonable argument is there aside from pettiness?
Is there really any need for that kind of attitude?
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2 hours ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:
Reading over 20-odd pages and trying to summarise the "compromise" (all under the presumption the league actually finishes this season. Coronavirus based factors are excluded for the moment)
The WJR will come over in its current format but be renamed the WoSFL and be a senior league. Clubs will remain junior "members" but not pay the fines/reinstatement fees but will still have access to the Junior Cup but it's not mandatory.
Any non-league team in the WoSFL not currently in the Juniors will be able to join the juniors to also have access to the Junior Cup but, again, not mandatory (both these compromises are dependent on the SJFA changing their rules to allow it but, for now, I will presume that gets the OK).
If a non-Junior team is relegated to the WoSFL they will not need to join the SJFA to play in the league.
If a non-Junior team, now or in future, applies to join the WoSFL they will not need to join the WRJFA.
If a Junior side is promoted to the LL, or higher, they will not need to relinquish SJFA membership.
All sides have to enter the SCC and this, and the Scottish Cup, take precedence over the Junior Cup.
Any clubs currently in Tier 6 moving to the WoSFL (Bonnyton Thistle being the obvious one) would be parachuted into Tier 6 but not at the expense of anyone currently at that level.
Any clubs currently outside the pyramid moving into the WoSFL will start at the bottom tier.
If I've got this correct then any arguments against seem a bit childish and petty this moment to be honest.
The main ones being "it's not fair on clubs that want to remain junior" - this argument seems to come from the same people that have been telling junior clubs and fans for three years that moving to the senior league wont change anything apart from the name of "the grade". It also seems these junior clubs have done, as all clubs had to do at one point, and compromise. If they're happy with the scenario, or grudgingly accept it, why does it bother others?
Another is "why do they get to remain junior when they're senior" - again this argument is coming from the same folk who said the name of the grade didn't matter. So who cares? Honestly. Junior clubs still get to call themselves junior, if it means so much to them, but makes no difference. They're happy and they're completed the pyramid and it makes no difference to non SRJFA members at the same level.
The other argument seems to be about the Junior Cup itself and letting it die. Again this is no different from other cups such as the Renfrewshire Cup, Fife Cup, Aberdeenshire Shield. It wont take precedence over league or the "main" cup fixtures and for any bleating about how it will affect fixtures: that remains the clubs decision. All clubs decision. I saw someone say it's a bit unfair if, say, Talbot become a League One club and play Colony Park. That's unfair as it is at the moment. Talbot will win that in any case. Is it equally unfair that Morton play against amateur clubs in the Renfrewshire Cup?
I mean this seems like a win/win for everyone. We get the full pyramid in place below the Tay. Junior clubs keep their cup and get to remain junior members if they want and it doesn't negatively impact clubs that don't.
Try not to label people/clubs as petty and childish who hold a different view.
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51 minutes ago, Che Dail said:
Refer to the terms in the Standard Player Agreement:
Cl 5. The player shall have no claim for wages for any period in which he may be unable to implement the obligations undertaken hereunder.
Cl 6. The club shall have the right to terminate this Agreement in terms of the Articles of Association and Registration Procedures of the Association, subject to the rights of appeal allowed to the player under Rule 7.3 of the Registration Procedures and the Dispute Resolution Procedure contained at Annex 2 of the Registration Procedures.
Cl 7. The Agreement and the terms and conditions thereof shall be, as to its suspension and the termination, subject to the laws of The Association, and to any action which may be taken by the Board of The Association or any committee and in any proceedings by the player against the club, it shall be a sufficient and complete defence and answer by and on the part of the club, that such suspension or termination thereof, is due to the action of The Association or the Board thereof or any committee thereof to whom the power may be delegated.
The Corona Virus pandemic could be an example of Force Majeure: Unforeseeable circumstances that prevent someone from fulfilling their contract.
An interpretation: The players are unable to implement their obligations due to the action of the Association, therefore they shall have no claim for wages.
I would say therefore that any moral obligation to 'come and go' with respect to wages / expenses is at the discretion of clubs, and not down to any goodwill / benevolence of its players.
I'd hope that most clubs and players can come to a mutual agreement where necessary.
It's all about keeping clubs afloat so there's clubs available for players to play for. We're in uncharted territory.
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8 hours ago, GordonS said:
Another 3 weeks with no football and it's gonna be Bedlam around here.
Marshy's got out of his bed and starting red dotting again. It really is worrying behaviour for a grown adult (well assuming he is) to engage in. What's he going to be 3 weeks in, frothing at the mouth?
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Just now, FuzzyBear said:1 hour ago, Burnie_man said:Fairly grim reading here, football the least of our concerns. Peak predicted to be end of May to mid-June, then reducing over next 10 weeks, only to become worse again as we enter winter.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Far less finishing this season, we'll struggle to get next season off the ground.
Time to start planning to keep our clubs going during the shutdown.There is a tweet from a Killie official saying football wont restart till September.
Was just reading that. Season over, no relegation, no promotion, Scottish Cup Semis and Final from September onwards.
Will be interesting if true, works for Killie and BBC Scotland.
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2 minutes ago, Mystic Blastie said:
Your right Burnie Man. Maybe missed out on the full meaning of your post. Apologies!!! Maybe it's, because I'm no posting on here 8 to 12 hours every day you like you ya sad individual
How nice, again
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Junior football, what is the future?
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Have you asked them yet via an EGM and given them the two choices? You seem to think you are talking on behalf of every single club when in actual fact, you have no mandate to do so. Do the non-WRJFA clubs agree with your apprach re the Junior Cup, have you asked them?
If clubs want to stay Junior then let them, if at a later date they then want to join the WoSFL then they can, just like in the east.
Those dozen or so WL clubs in the ERJFA want to remain Junior, are you saying they should be denied that and forced to move into the EoS?