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Just now, grinderbrokeyourhearts said:
The Junior Cup would be a great addition to the pyramid run for all below league two.
Keeping it for what's left of the juniors is an affront to what it used to be. The prestige died when the east left. Its just a west junior league Cup now.Best to just retire it gracefully, the original trophy is already in the Hampden museum, let Talbot keep the new one.
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1 minute ago, Dev said:
Sorry, but the SJFA, Junior Cup, etc need to be consigned to history ASAP.
There is an opportunity here, with the SFA looking for a new sponsor for the Scottish Cup, to incorporate the South Challenge Cup into any new sponsorship deal. It would be a very minor part financially of a deal.
Rename it the SFA Trophy, play the final at Hampden (now owned by the SFA) and allow all Pyramid clubs to enter. Play the first round on a Regional basis. A bit of lateral thinking and willingness and you could have a "Non League Finals Day" with the Amateur Cup Final the early game followed by the Trophy Final.
It's that type of thinking that will give the game and clubs a fresh impetus.
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2 minutes ago, Dev said:
Agreed!
They still need to be wary of which West Junior people are to run the new league though. Hopefully they will clear out the negative ones and bring in new blood who have previously held back because they felt that the whole thing wasn't something which they wished to be involved with at admin level.
Not sure the guy that shouted "F*ck the LL" at Tuesdays meeting fits the profile.
It needs people who understand what the Pyramid is all about and want a fresh start for clubs in the west, I'm sure they will have suitable candidates.
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From piecing together what's been circulated I think what we have here is the WRJFA withdrawing their request to form a league in the Pyramid, leaving the way open for the WoSFL to start asking for applications. So an independent WoSFL is full steam ahead, ko 25th July.
I also get the feeling that if the vast majority of WRJFA clubs join, the current structure has a chance of remaining intact rather than Conferences although non-Junior clubs wishes would need to be priority if that was the case.
I'm guessing the WRJFA would carry on IF there were sufficient numbers to make a league viable.
No idea about SJFA membership or Junior Cup, I guess that will also be open to negotiation although to be honest, we don't want to be in a position where the Junior Cup continues and therefore effectively removes clubs from the South Challenge Cup. I also can't see too many LL, EoS or SoS clubs joining (or re-joining) the SJFA to play in it.
Perhaps someone who was at the LL meeting can update on the feeling amongst Junior clubs of where this is headed.
As for where this leaves the refusnik West Lothian Junior clubs, particularly if the WRJFA is effectively ended, they need to wake up and smell the coffee.
We're edging closer to the point where this thread can be archived...........
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Just now, Jerry Macguire said:
Use the force Burnie you can do it.
Sorry Darth Vadar, I'm knackered an need my bed.
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9 minutes ago, Che Dail said:
Quite scary - I imagine that spoken like Darth Vader while doing a death stare.
And somebody in the corner of the room (Burnie?) being strangled by an invisible force.
Topper...
I'm...................still...........................here..........................
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Doing his bit here for detente [emoji23]Once blocked the official Largs twitter account. How very un-junior of them.
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He's an avid reader of this thread
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Even the loonball appears to have accepted the inevitable.......
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I have also seen positive smoke signals. A WoSFL with everyone perhaps on board? We'll see.
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That's the road sign into Blackburn from the badlands of Stoneyburn and West Calder. It actually says "f*ck off" now.
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5 minutes ago, San Starko Rover said:
It’ll happen eventually, it’s inevitable but who will be the one that breaks ranks? Will it be this season? Their league looks pretty weak with the Fife exodus but is it enough to sway any West Lothian club to defect yet? Any guesses who is less staunchly Junior than the rest Burnie_man?
No idea. Heard a few rumours but didn't think they held much water. We'll find out after 31st March I guess.
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4 minutes ago, GordonS said:
Oh I thought it was a joke.
Saying Covid-19 is just another form of flu is like saying a plane crash is just another form of landing.
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2 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:
Would it be the LL to decide if it's conferences or the member clubs?
I think it will be the board that is formed who will decide, which will include reps from member clubs.
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16 minutes ago, stulch said:
This must be a record for gaps between posts on this thread!
We need a West Lothian club to declare to stir things up
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20 minutes ago, Gordon EF said:
If enough junior clubs want to join to form multiple leagues and were overwhelmingly in favour of retaining current league structure as much as possible, I don't see any other way of doing it. Non junior clubs joining the WoSFL have a right to enter the pyramid at tier 6 IMO. If junior clubs valued the current structure highly enough, letting in non-juniors above some of them would have to be the price to be paid for dodging conferences for a season.
Although personally, I don't see the problem with conferences and they've met with almost universal approval in the East.
Conferences is the preferred way forward for the first season., I think the LL have been clear about that from the outset and will probably re-iterate it tonight. It was a success in the East and no reason why it wouldn't be likewise in the west.
What you have to bear in mind is that non-Junior clubs would be in the minority, therefore their interests also need to be regarded as well.
I suspect we'll see something like two Conferences of 16/18 teams as I think the WoSFL will kick-off with around 32/36 clubs. If it's more, then 3 x 14 is also workable. You then decide how you want the structure to look in 2021-22, and allocate finishing positions accordingly eg top 8 from each Conference form a Premier.
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7 minutes ago, archieb said:
I understand that the WRSJFA plan would involve incorporating any licensed/level 6 non-juniors into the premiership, and others 'at an appropriate level', then running with divisions of over 18 where necessary for a single season.
Who decides the "appropriate level" ? You might need a Premiership bigger than 18.
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3 minutes ago, marconi said:
the SJFA is finished. west region teams would like to be in the pyramid but retain league structure as it is [with access for others to join]. could this not be done by sitting down with the L L and EOS to set up league. after agreement is reached the west region officials step down and new league appoint officials to run league at first meeting of clubs T J is not involved in any way and although they would be "senior" clubs could retain junior in their name. a cup competition to replace the junior cup involving teams below tier 5 could be put in place
If the current league structure is retained in a new WoSFL, how would you integrate the non-Junior clubs? all into the Premiership and bump down the bottom 4 or 5?
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14 minutes ago, oldandround said:
Also removes the farce of the u18s cup where senior teams enter only to learn they can’t play u20s or u18s from the community team (Bonnyrigg rose leap to mind here!)
We would love to enter that, but it is just a logistical nightmare so we have left it. It shouldn't be like that.
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1 hour ago, Marten said:
Nah, they're blaming Burnie_man for it.
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17 minutes ago, Bestsinceslicebread said:
Please don't put me alongside these organisations, I dislike them, they are only interested in their self's and their own self preservation, it should be about development.
Do you think the SERYFA would be receptive if a coach from a team in their league came and asked them for a change in rules as its a major problem, no I don't think so.
these are guys who sit and make decisions abut usually don't coach so don't know the ins and outs and some do coach or run a team but are so blinkered at their more powerful job they don't bother doing anything to improve the situation.My views have got nothing to do with these groups , its from my own experience. Even being captain at Dalry when I was 26 I was coaching Pollok U21s and always been interested in pathways into junior and senior teams and have , like you and many we have noticed the change in climate in youth football and attitudes, most to detriment of youth football.
I think you need to read again what I posted, I haven't put you alongside anything! and I agree completely with your views on the SYFA.
Problem is, we have U16/U17/U19 under the SYFA, and the U20's under the LL. The SERYA are doing their best to hamper the pathway between the two by threatening the U16/U17/U19 clubs with rule breaches if they allow their players to trial with the U20's.
It's insane, parochial shite. Looking at it, a Lowland U18 league would remove all of these barriers and as gaz - who knows way more than me about this - points out, it is perhaps better than the U17/U19 age group in terms of moving players up the pathway through the U20's.
It needs explored.
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26 minutes ago, Jerry Macguire said:
Plus it wouldn't save all their cronies space at the trough.
A lot of money involved in certain positions at the WRJFA.
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27 minutes ago, jimbaxters said:
You OK Jim? is that your wife?
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10 minutes ago, Jerry Macguire said:
They could even adopt a European Cup approach that unlicensed members go in at the first round and members who hold an SFA licence enter once they exit the Scottish Cup.
It's a decent idea, but I just can't see the guy at Hampden having the nous to long term plan along those lines. He's too busy fighting the WRJFA corner.
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I don't think that's a long term deal.