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1 hour ago, morley said:
The LL/EOS may not actually be that bothered if only say 7 or 8 junior clubs actually follow through with their initial NOI and apply (not that they would publicly admit it). As to start with they may prefer clubs to be ones who have fully bought into the fresh start idea, want to move away from the junior grade culture, and fully commited to the senior/pyramid idea, rather than clubs who more reluctantly apply. Because unlike the EoS when it expanded you don't have that core base of original clubs to build around. Not that they will decline any junior club.
The LL will take as many who are interested, nobody will be turned away as is being claimed in WRJFA circles.
However as you say, the LL will run this league with 12 clubs or 42 clubs it makes no difference to them. The important thing, the base reason for a WoSFL, is to provide a pathway into the Pyramid and Senior football for all clubs in the west of Scotland. All clubs regardless of their current "grade".
It's not solely about the Juniors, and nor should it.
Meanwhile we have the WRJFA running around spouting pish, lying to clubs about option Z, trying to "starve" the LL of clubs, trying to get the SFA to put blockers in to stop it, threatening legal action, we even had someone at Tuesdays meeting shout "F*ck the LL" without any sort of rebuke, that on the back of the woodpile incident. Do you want these people anywhere near the Pyramid?
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None of that makes me think an u18 development league would be a bad thing. Sorry.
When you have the SERYFA making life very difficult for U20 teams to take U19/U17 players on trial, basically threatening their clubs with sanctions, how can that be any good for player pathways, even within the same club? They need cut out.
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No need for the LL to compromise, you either join or you don't. They'll easily get the minimum number to start the league and build from there. Fresh start. No baggage. Simple. SPFL behind it.Is there the bones of a compromise here?- SJFA runs tiers 6 downwards in the west, so long as the rules are fully in line with the LL - including membership fees, fines and re-instatement.
- All new successful applicants join at T6. The entry criteria are exactly the same as in the EoS, and the LL decides which new clubs meet them.
- The SJFA can decide to have all-in conferences, or conferences only at T6 while the rest carry on as before.
- No-one is required to join the SJFA, even if they are relegated below T6.
- New clubs get a full say in the governance and administration.
- All clubs can gain SFA licences at any tier.
- Clubs anywhere in Scotland at T5 and below can join the SJFA and play in the Junior Cup.
- The Junior Cup continues, but is secondary to league and South Challenge fixtures.
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Thought you had! At the end of the day there should be a choice of stay Junior or join the new WoSFL. Just like in the east, nobody should be forced to do anything.Sorry misread your post. I thought you meant if they were admitted under the WRJFA. I'm pretty sure they would accept all the rule changes etc thoughNo, youre right in your assumption, too many still loyal to the grade (for want of a better word)
After tomorrow things should be a little clearer to clubs, and it's upto them to make the choice.
The WRJFA shenanigans are just a bad attempt to con people.
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7 minutes ago, santheman said:
And that would probably get 100% backing from the clubs (well maybe not Clydebank)
Even if it meant resigning from the SJFA/WRJFA and fully embracing senior football as exists in the EoS?
I have my doubts based on last nights feedback.
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1 minute ago, marconi said:
as I was not at the meeting I don't know how every team voted but it is fair to assume Clydebank were one team who voted against but the result of the vote was 60 2 with one team not present
Vote for what?
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When all is said and done, the LL would take every single WRJFA club if they want en-masse entry to the Pyramid, but they need to realise it is under the exact same rules and regulations as the EoS/SoS. It is also open to any non-WRJFA clubs and they will all be treated as equal members of the new league. All will be eligible for SFA Licencing, U20 leagues etc. They will all be in the Pyramid.
Delegates who were there last night will get the chance to listen to the LL side of the debate and their plans tomorrow, and should do so with an open mind.
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5 minutes ago, theesel1994 said:
This is what they will be going to the SFA with to say they back our League not the WoSL. If the LL didn't issue the West Region an invitation this declaration is null and void.
Well as you know - as everyone knows - the only thing the LL have done is set the wheels in motion of a new independent WoSFL, with membership by application. The only invitation was asking clubs to submit an expression of interest.
This declaration reads like the WRJFA have been invited by the LL to help them form a tier 6 WoSFL, but that they will only do so if the following conditions are met........bonkers!
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Just now, AlanCamelonfan said:
It sounds like they want the teams in west region premiership to go to wosfl but retain junior membership and wrsjfa run the leagues below.
Indeed, but the Lowland League haven't extended any such invitation.
The new WoSFL is open to any club Junior or non Junior by application and they will be equal members of the new WoSFL. Join or don't join.
It has zero to do with the SJFA/WRJFA.
It's a pretty pish declaration lol!
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"It states that Auchinleck Talbot 'Will duly accept the invitation of the Lowland League and be incorporated within their proposed West of Scotland League based on the following conditions.
1 All clubs move together in current format
2 We embrace the non-junior teams presented by the Lowland League
3 All clubs keep their membership of the Scottish Junior fa
4 All club (sic) are permitted to participate in the Scottish Junior Cup.'"
So they refer to an "invitation from the LL" so presumably the new WoSFL, but..............
"We embrace the non-junior teams presented by the Lowland League" which implies the WRJFA run leagues below tier 6?
So what is the LL invitation? the only invitation from the LL is to leave Junior football and join the new WoSFL. No WRJFA involvement.
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1 minute ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:
Im deadly serious!
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1 minute ago, GordonS said:
WTF? So Glasgow Uni & Bonnytoun get slotted in to Tier 6 for next season, finish bottom and then... are ejected from the system entirely?
Aye that looks fair...
I'm guessing at that point they'd need to apply to join the SJFA. Although as I said, I don't think they will be encouraging these clubs to get involved. It's not an open and inclusive approach to Pyramid football in the west.
Junior league for Junior clubs.
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Just now, Vollyman said:
Your Post is disgraceful having a go at the SJFA have you failed to notice that 50000 will attend Ibrox on Thursday, How low are you going to stoop on your campaign against the SJFASome humour is definitely lost when written down................
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14 minutes ago, theesel1994 said:
I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and I think things will have changed. I just wish they'd come out and publicly say fully what their proposals are. They seem to forget the fans need to know this information as well as the clubs. It is their responsibility to provide this information to the public.
Well the signs aren't good and given who we're dealing with here, I'd be wary of giving them any leeway.
They want this to be a Junior league "preserving history" or some other bollocks. If you want access to the Pyramid then you'll need to join the SJFA at the bottom. It is not an inclusive approach, contrast it with the LL plan.
That alone should see this booted well into touch.
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3 minutes ago, Stag Nation said:
Have you seen any evidence that these numpties could organise a conspiracy?
Good point.
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6 minutes ago, theesel1994 said:
It's dated the 6th March. Things have probably changed since then.
That was Friday, I doubt it. Their plans handed over to the LL a few weeks ago were lacking in detail over how to handle non-WRJFA applicants.
I don't get the impression they would be encouraged.
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3 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said:
This article was deleted last week but has since reappeared from the Cumnock Chronicle where TJ says this is only open to Juniors
TAJ fully involved and working Ronney from behind says;
“Our league would be open only to junior teams. I’m not sure what the Lowland League plans are but we would not have any amateur teams."
Well there you have it.
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2 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said:
it sounds less complicated just to start again and let the sjfa go
Back to where this began a couple of weeks back
Pyramid entry = Join new WoSFL
Not Interested = Stay as you are with WRJFA.
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10 minutes ago, theesel1994 said:
There was going to be that Senior/Junior line anyway under their original "done deal" - but this is just getting confusing now. Before it was going to be the same rules (fines and taxes) now there is confusion over where these will apply. I'm only referring to the West Region proposal. The WoSL (LL/EoSL version) is a new league so new rules obviously. What happens if five non Junior clubs apply - have they said where they slot in? There are 16 in the top division currently - do some of these lose their places when these others get added?
Well some problem areas, which don't appear to have been clarified are;
Will the LL be interested in running their version of the WoSFL in the first place given the plan has already been rejected by them?
Where would non-WRJFA clubs fit into this set-up? would they need to join the SJFA and become Junior?
Tier 7 and below, are there guarantees that they will be able to access SFA Licencing, U20 league and all the other benefits enjoyed by their east counterparts at that level?
Do player fines remain? does re-instatement remain? squad size restrictions remain? restriction on pre-season friendlies remain? permits for friendlies? etc etc etc
How can the Junior Cup be fitted into the senior fixture calendar?
Would senior clubs eg Cumbernauld Colts or Caledonian Braves, relegated to tier 7 need to become Junior ie join the SJFA?
Would clubs promoted to tier 5 LL keep their SJFA membership?
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25 minutes ago, theesel1994 said:
So who administers the new Premiership?
Is it the Lowland League? So they administer one of its feeder league but not the other two. Say a club signs a Senior player then gets relegated - will they have to pay the reinstatement tax when they return to the Junior League if that player stays on?
Is it the West Region? So a Senior Club has to turn Junior if relegated. Or are they exempt from this?
They're effectively saying we'll plug-in the WRJFA (and everything that goes with it), into a LL run WoSFL. So there will be a Senior/Junior line between tier 6 and 7, that raises many issues.
Now, the LL won't be running the WoSFL forever (in fact it will be fairly light touch anyway as the SFA do the registrations and discipline and they'll need some board position filled by member clubs right from the start), so then you have the prospect of the WoSFL coming under the de-facto control of the WRJFA/SJFA once all their own people are on board. Trojan horse? a little bit conspiratorial perhaps but well.......
There's also the fact that why would the LL run this Junior version of the WoSFL when they are free to run their own one, which is already in progress of being set-up and is open to all clubs.
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1 minute ago, Born To Run said:
At the risk of swimming against the tide...
Im pleasantly surprised with the West Region’s overall suggestions. There is an air of compromise and understanding in there which was lacking from the SJFA in the PWG phase of negotiations.
It may prove to be too late, but some people aren’t really considering the gravity of this alternative plan. Ceding control of the Premiership would be a huge step.
That is because they are desperate, and think it will allow them to keep control of the remaining 47 clubs. It raises far too many issues and continues division. Make no mistake this is an SJFA plan.
The fact remains that the new WoSFL is there, it's happening, all clubs need to do is join it if they want Pyramid access guaranteed.
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8 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:
Ronney is claiming the the West Region, in its entirety, is to be put in below the LL. LL will take over the Super League which will also allow any tier 6 teams who want to join (Bonnyton for instance... possibly Glagow Uni). He says this is a "done deal" and the basis of this appears to be the e-mail posted above.
I don't think there's any claim it's a "done deal", that was just trolling last night. It's the plan he presented to the LL a couple of weeks ago in his last ditch attempt to get the WRJFA in, and was rejected. He is now going to present it tomorrow to the "partial" PWG in order to try and halt everything as he knows fine well it will be rejected again.
He's trying to create a mess and hoping the SFA step in. He wanted clubs to appear on the steps at Hampden, presumably prior to PWG, to show support for his plan. Bonkers.
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4 minutes ago, The Moonster said:
Bit hard to follow what's gone on here, can someone summarise briefly?
WoSFL: Starts 25th July
WRJFA: Bants all round!
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1 hour ago, PastyMan said:
I take it this is Exhibit 1 in the case of WRJFA v Common Sense?
Open and shut case
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Junior football, what is the future?
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There were ridiculous claims that they would only take 6 clubs to make a single division of 18. Can't recall the source.