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Just now, The Moonster said:
Agree totally, I just don't see UEFA giving the level of care they should.
Probably not, and their attitude towards Euro 2020 is an illustration of that.
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16 hours ago, heedthebaa said:
The Twempies are getting there
Looks very similar to what is at Bonnyton.
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4 minutes ago, The Moonster said:
Struggling to see why UEFA will care here. They are able to travel to the UK for the match. How many of Israel's team will NEED to return to Israel after the game (i.e. how many of their players actually play in Israel)? Can't imagine it's anything like the full squad, and even then it's two weeks of games they'll miss. UEFA aren't going to postpone NL play-offs to accommodate say 10 guys playing domestic Israeli football for two weeks, they'll be told to get on a plane and deal with it IMO.
It's just my opinion, the Israeli FA will probably request a PP anyway.
UEFA have a responsibility to play its part in stopping the spread of the virus (whether it likes it or not) as well as protecting players/staff and I see the Getafe President has just said they will not travel to Milan for the Inter game for that very reason.
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I very much doubt anyone will be present at the NL play-offs, I actually think they will be postponed entirely. I just can't see Israel travelling if everyone in the party based in Israel have to go into quarantine on their return.
You also have the situation where Serbia currently have 6 or 7 Italian based players "stuck" there. Will Norway let them in?
It's a mess and UEFA have to make a clear and early decision, although it looks like they are too busy pressuring Govts to make sure Euro 2020 goes ahead, which is completely irresponsible frankly. It's all about the £££.
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48 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:
Fits in pretty much with what I was told from those that were there, it's largely the same proposal that was already rejected by the LL and largely went the way most people expected;
Premiership run by LL at tier 6, tier 7 to 9 remain Junior and run by WRJFA/SJFA. All clubs to retain membership of SJFA and enter Junior Cup.
Glasgow Uni and Bonnyton, if they apply, can be fitted into tier 6, anyone else starts at the bottom of the pile and have to join SJFA and become Junior.
Thinks the "partial" PWG can halt the new WoSFL and also stop Thursday nights meeting!
Claiming discrimination against the Juniors, waving Maxwell's email around and threatening legal action, wanting clubs to congregate on steps of Hampden etc etc. I'm told most of the big clubs remained largely silent, it was mostly smaller clubs reacting to his rabble rousing.
No idea if anyone raised the matter regarding mandates and on who's authority he was acting. It's a one man show.
The immediate issues I can see are;
No access to SFA Licencing below tier 7, therefore majority of clubs cannot become SFA members, no access to U20 league etc. Do senior clubs who are relegated from tier 6 revert to Junior status? do they have to join SJFA?
The LL have already rejected this plan out of hand, therefore one can only assume he wants to bog all this down, delay WoSFL and force everyone back round the table.
He is still acting without any sort of mandate from clubs.
The guy is bonkers.
Oh one other thing, I believe he was still pushing the cherry picking line "they won't let all of you in"
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3 minutes ago, gaz5 said:
That's exactly what I said. Ian Maxwell had the authority of the SFA.
But he doesn't have the authority of the HL, LL, SoS, EoS or SPFL, all of whom are legally required to approve the delivery of what has been claimed as the content of the contract (Juniors in at Tier X).
I can't agree to sell a house I'm 20% owner of and that contract be enforceable without the agreement of the other parties who share ownership.
Ignorance of the other parties or the contract with them on the ownership of the item covered in the secondary contract is not an arguable position in law.Ian Maxwell's email was a draft media release circulated between all parties on the PWG, claiming that there was now consensus to admit the Juniors into the Pyramid.
Several parties disputed the contents of that draft, that there was no consensus, and the statement was never released.
Legally binding? dear me.
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2 minutes ago, Mystic Blastie said:6 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:My info comes from 2 separate people who attended last nights meeting, the Petershill guys info comes from someone else who attended. All seem to be telling the same story.
So, why do you think it's "made up"?Because you guys obviously have very little to do when you can spend all day every day on here commenting and so when you run out of facts you just make them up. It's quite funny really.
I ask again, you said you knew nothing but keep saying this is all pish. On what basis if you know nothing? The only funny thing is you, most people on this thread have seen it all before. Are you a close friend of Beenze?
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Just now, Mystic Blastie said:2 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:Why are you so bothered now? not seen you getting involved before..................
I'm bored
Read a book.
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4 minutes ago, Mystic Blastie said:8 minutes ago, Marten said:Have you criticised Gordon Ronney yet for spreading clear lies or is he beyond any criticism?
I haven't supported or criticised anyone apart from the unsupported (made up) statements in this forum.
My info comes from 2 separate people who attended last nights meeting, the Petershill guys info comes from someone else who attended. All seem to be telling the same story.
So, why do you think it's "made up"?
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6 minutes ago, Mystic Blastie said:10 minutes ago, Che Dail said:I'm sure it'll be all be clarified when the draft minutes are published this afternoon eh...?
Absolutely so why all this speculation now?
Why are you so bothered now? not seen you getting involved before..................
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10 minutes ago, gaz5 said:
If that's all that last night was, it is yet more self preservation bluster I'm afraid and hopefully enough of those present are now clued up enough to spot that.
The primary purpose is to delay the WoSFL, preserve the SFJA, and get them into the Pyramid. Why they therefore refused those many chances over the previous 8 years who knows.
TAJ has clearly allowed Ronney to run with this and create as much havoc as he can, clubs don't appear to have questioned on who's mandate this is ll happening. It's out of control and doesn't conform to the SJFA/WRJFA Constitution.
It won't work of course, and we'll have a clearer picture on Thursday. If it was me, I wouldn't bother turning up to the "partial" PWG on Thursday, it's a waste of time.
At least the delegates will experience a whole different way of running things on Thursday night.
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9 minutes ago, Mystic Blastie said:13 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:Fits in pretty much with what I was told from those that were there, it's largely the same proposal that was already rejected by the LL and largely went the way most people expected;
Premiership run by LL at tier 6, tier 7 to 9 remain Junior and run by WRJFA/SJFA. All clubs to retain membership of SJFA and enter Junior Cup.
Glasgow Uni and Bonnyton, if they apply, can be fitted into tier 6, anyone else starts at the bottom of the pile and have to join SJFA and become Junior.
Thinks the "partial" PWG can halt the new WoSFL and also stop Thursday nights meeting!
Claiming discrimination against the Juniors, waving Maxwell's email around and threatening legal action, wanting clubs to congregate on steps of Hampden etc etc. I'm told most of the big clubs remained largely silent, it was mostly smaller clubs reacting to his rabble rousing.
No idea if anyone raised the matter regarding mandates and on who's authority he was acting. It's a one man show.
The immediate issues I can see are;
No access to SFA Licencing below tier 7, therefore majority of clubs cannot become SFA members, no access to U20 league etc. Do senior clubs who are relegated from tier 6 revert to Junior status? do they have to join SJFA?
The LL have already rejected this plan out of hand, therefore one can only assume he wants to bog all this down, delay WoSFL and force everyone back round the table.
He is still acting without any sort of mandate from clubs.
The guy is bonkers.
Who told you? Or are you just making it up??
Are you the nominated one for today, from Kilbirnie?
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1 hour ago, peasy23 said:
From what little I have heard, none of it from my own club reps.
Basically, the WR are pinning everything on the Maxwell "done deal" email as being legally binding. The proposal is for the West Premiership to slot in at Tier 6, and be run by the LL, and allow any existing tier 6 sides (e.g. Threave/Bonnyton) wishing to join to slot in to that division. The West Region would still run tiers 7-9 below that. The obvious question is, if they thought it was legally binding, why wait almost 2 years?
Gordon Ronney apparently at one point suggested that clubs should turn up on the steps of Hampden on Thursday in a show of solidarity and demand access to the pyramid. He wants all the clubs to stick together and to starve the new league of members, which (in his opinion) would force the LL to accept the Juniors plan instead.
Fits in pretty much with what I was told from those that were there, it's largely the same proposal that was already rejected by the LL and largely went the way most people expected;
Premiership run by LL at tier 6, tier 7 to 9 remain Junior and run by WRJFA/SJFA. All clubs to retain membership of SJFA and enter Junior Cup.
Glasgow Uni and Bonnyton, if they apply, can be fitted into tier 6, anyone else starts at the bottom of the pile and have to join SJFA and become Junior.
Thinks the "partial" PWG can halt the new WoSFL and also stop Thursday nights meeting!
Claiming discrimination against the Juniors, waving Maxwell's email around and threatening legal action, wanting clubs to congregate on steps of Hampden etc etc. I'm told most of the big clubs remained largely silent, it was mostly smaller clubs reacting to his rabble rousing.
No idea if anyone raised the matter regarding mandates and on who's authority he was acting. It's a one man show.
The immediate issues I can see are;
No access to SFA Licencing below tier 7, therefore majority of clubs cannot become SFA members, no access to U20 league etc. Do senior clubs who are relegated from tier 6 revert to Junior status? do they have to join SJFA?
The LL have already rejected this plan out of hand, therefore one can only assume he wants to bog all this down, delay WoSFL and force everyone back round the table.
He is still acting without any sort of mandate from clubs.
The guy is bonkers.
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Just now, cmontheloknow said:
Their Superdooper League was designed to spite the LL, or was certainly heralded as a rival. Hmm. That worked!
Such a misjudgement of the future. Nostra Damn Us.
It was simply to spite the LL. Problem was, most clubs had no interest in TAJ's super idea.
That should have been the lightbulb moment, but nobody flicked the switch (and clubs are just as culpable as well as poor leadership)
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13 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said:
Do you know what the Ragman's Roll was?
Anyway, I have always wanted to see the West Region in (as one) and I have said as much on here plenty of times. Even when that was offered, the SJFA refused and pushed on with an agenda that was flawed and doomed. At no point did the WRSJFA stand up to them and fight their own corner. Until after that was taken off the table and the door closed. The blazers have failed the clubs, and perhaps even the grade. I have the square root of F-All interest in grades or blazers, and so do not see these balloons as beyond criticism.
Anyway, here's an article from 2013 with some pretty shameless quotes from TAJ.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/13109216.pyramid-scheme-faces-problems-from-the-outset/
That was the environment created by TAJ & Co at the time, I sat in many meetings and that was the mantra "we're better than them, why would you want anything to do with it". They wanted tier 5 access with their own Superdooper League (which got barely any support from Junior clubs).
The door was wide open for the 3 Region SJFA structure to move "en-masse" into tier 6 (and was for years after). Complete control of the West and North at that level and below, and probably a merger with the much reduced EoS. That is what should have happened all those years ago, they could have been running tier 6 / 7 / 8 / 9.
They f*cked it because the SJFA (and many clubs now in the EoS it has to be said) thought they were better than that, they were better than the LL, and they should be at tier 5.
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10 minutes ago, gogsy said:
Wishaw Juniors committee member Alex Young said the club had “declared an interest” in both meetings and were still leaving their options open.
He notes that the club have “put their faith” in club secretary Robert Watson to make the decision for the League One strugglers.
Doesn't matter which way he votes surely "putting their faith" in one man is a crazy way to run a club.
Then again its the Daily Record
Doesn't the Wishaw secretary post on here?
Robert is one of the games good guys, and good people are involved with Wishaw, I doubt they'll just blindly follow either option.
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1 minute ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:
So you can't name anyone. Obviously our best player should be in the squad then, no-brainer.
The only limitation I would make with his age is with two massive games quite close together, I wouldn't play him full ninety in either most likely, but he'd be starting against Israel. He's just better than the alternatives, making it a very easy deicion to make.
Sorry, anyone who thinks Harry Souttar is world class is someone to avoid, Pep.
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Just now, The Moonster said:
It only took a few starts at Man Utd for everyone to realise McTominay was going to be one of best midfielders we have. Gilmour should be no different.
Did it? think he had around 20 appearances for Man Utd before he debuted, in a friendly........it took him a while to decide if he was English or Scottish.
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Just now, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:
So you don't think thats true? What players do we have that you would say are better players than Gilmour right now? I would say none, not even Andy Robertson. What about you?
I think Harry Souttar trumps them all Pep.
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2 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:
Roy Keane is one of the best midfielders the game has ever seen. He called Gilmour 'world class'. Answer the question, why is now not the time? Why would you not pick one of your best players for the biggest game you've played in 17 years?
One of our best players after 2 senior starts, you need to calm yer kegs mate.
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4 minutes ago, BingMcCrosby said:
Harry Souttar wasn't bossing it against Liverpool, and then Everton in the same wk. And having pundits jumping off their seats in amazement.
So nothing like harry Souttar
Whoooosh
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1 minute ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:
Why isn't it a game to hand his debut? What's the worst that could happen? He's our best player in the form of his life and more confident than he's ever been. This is absolutely the time to give him his debut. He's riding the crest of a wave and we could be the beneficiaries.
FFS, just like Harry Souttar?
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19 minutes ago, The Moonster said:
We got there in the end. Normally one of Jack, Shinnie or MacLean would be in the squad in addition to those already mentioned, so calling up Gilmour this time instead makes sense.
I'd say the majority on here agree that he's at least 5th in line at the moment, even Burnie_man is conceding that and he doesn't think he should be called up, some argue he's closer to a starting spot. If you disagree with that I'm happy to hear your argument.
My point is this isn't the game to hand him a debut or for him to get splinters on the bench. However, in a situation where we have injury problems then that changes and you have a look at who is available to plug gaps.
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18 minutes ago, craigkillie said:
They got a freak win in Croatia, but aside from that the results have been poor, and I would be astonished if we end up being anywhere near qualifying. This is not a particularly strong group of players, with or without Gilmour - the only area we have any sort of quality is central midfield, and we have some absolute jersey fillers in other parts of the pitch, especially full-back.
It was a deserved win, and a decent draw in the Czech Republic. Poor home form has cost us so far but 4-6 points from the next 2 games has us well in contention for at least a play-off. Less than that and they're friendlies in September and October.
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