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1 minute ago, Mystic Blastie said:49 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:I don't recall anyone mentioning woodpiles or shouting "F*ck the SJFA" at meetings, no.
I have never seen anyone on here even try to justify or defend the "woodpile or Feck the LL" (I think you mean) comments so WTF are you on about??
No, I meant "F*ck the SJFA", try and understand what I wrote and what I was responding to if you want to stick your nose in.
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34 minutes ago, BS7 said:
Reading analysis of the likely future outcomes, it would seem that the second wave in the Autumn might be worse than what is about to hit us. I really dont know how you plan to finish a season, or plan to start another one, or even when things are likely to be normal again.
There are reports from Japan that someone has the virus a second time, possibly a second strain. There are also opinions that if this outbreak isn't dealt with in the right manner there could be a second wave. It's all largely guesswork though.
I agree that trying to finish a season would be largely impossible under those circumstances, as you say it's very difficult to predict just when you can safely give the green light to start kicking a ball about again.
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32 minutes ago, Beenzon-Toste said:
Not that you or any of your cohorts would resort to that kind of thing.
I don't recall anyone mentioning woodpiles or shouting "F*ck the SJFA" at meetings, no.
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40 minutes ago, Truthteller said:
Not often I agree with wee burnie but I think he is spot on here, season will have to be declared void due to exceptional circumstances and the new season begins when it is safe to do so, probably August at the earliest.
Strange things happen in times of adversity
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5 minutes ago, Jerry Macguire said:
Currently we have members in LL and EoS leagues with membership to other associations. This hasn’t posed any issues or brought into question the independence of those leagues. What your describing is an issue for the juniors and the juniors alone. If clubs have to resign from the SJFA, that is because the SJFA have told them to. Not the LL, EoSL or SoSL. What’s went on in the east has been pretty shameful and the behaviour towards clubs wanting to join the EoS league has been truly abysmal. The SJFA need to decide whether clubs can join this new league and still be members. If they do, they need build some bridges with their former members in the east. If they don’t I think arguments about the merits of SJFA cup will become a redundant one very quickly.
Because none of those small regional Associations are national Associations who see themselves as outside the sphere of influence of the SFA, or who consider the LL / EoS / Pyramid as a rival and a threat, to bad mouth and belittle. Bringing them into the Pyramid is bringing in unwanted baggage.
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Just now, the rambler said:
Hopefully those that are actually involved in the process continue to make progress.
The nay sayers on here that aren't happy because it looks like they won't get exactly what they want are now boring the arse off me.
The feelings mutual mate
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What is often overlooked in all of this are players and their families. When exactly can they head away on holiday? they're not going to be able to anytime soon by the looks of it, it could well be August or later before countries open up fully, yet people want them to jump into 2 games a week for 8-10 weeks to finish off a season then bounce straight into another.
Then of course there's the can of worms that is player contracts.
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1 hour ago, leomessi1984 said:
You could argue it both ways though. For some not getting promoted will be as impactful as relegation.
It can be argued both ways, but I guess the leagues will want to avoid anything like threats of legal action as much as possible.
With football unlikely before August or even later, the chances of this season finishing is almost zero.
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5 hours ago, Burnie_man said:
Juvenile Marshy up early I see
13 red dots so far today, the wee boy is upset about something
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1 minute ago, leomessi1984 said:
Kelty to take legal action on not being promoted?
Donald Findlay might be busy
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On 14/03/2020 at 11:44, gogsy said:
Looks like mucho is the latest reincarnation of an old poster.
The penny drops.
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1 minute ago, Mucho said:
I’ve spoken more sense in that week than you all season buddy. Not a Kelty fan either but I’m sure they have the finances to deal with the current situation and go again next season no matter the outcome. There’s a wee club who will struggle to survive with no income for the next 3 months. Looking forward to your input then.
Wow, what an attitude.
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7 minutes ago, falkirktv said:
What happened to the leagues in 1940?
Voided, but it was pretty early in the season.
The SoSFL voided their season in 2001 due to foot and mouth, that was in the February. No titles awarded.
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Just now, Mucho said:
Please do, I know I’ve hit the nail on the head when your only response it a red dot .
You've been a member here for less than a week, and are a Kelty fan with an equally vested interest in a certain outcome. You're not being promoted, try and deal with it a bit better.
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4 minutes ago, leomessi1984 said:
Average points per game would solve that? No perfect but writing off a full season seems wasteful.
It wouldn't really. I see reports of Hearts taking legal action if any decision relegates them.
Anything that creates even more of a clusterf*ck isn't a good idea.
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4 minutes ago, Mucho said:
Where have you been? Havoc has already been created. It’s how we restore normality that’s up for debate. Your team benefitted from havoc a couple of seasons back and have had a year in the premier after scraping the last available place from the conference last season. Don’t you agree Tynecastle having gone a full season undefeated from same conferences deserve their opportunity? Current league positions would see them promoted and Blackburn back where they belong. That’s why you don’t want it. Finishing the season is highly unlikely to change that either so that’s why you think that option is daft, although I do agree you make a valid point as to players contracts and so forth. No, you think it makes more sense to void the whole season and forget the efforts and promotion hopes made by everyone at Kelty, Bonnyrigg, Bo’ness, Broxburn, H.O.B and even Kinnoull this season because it’s the only scenario that saves your own club from being relegated
Ignore.
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7 minutes ago, albynpark said:
But why void it if there's other options on the table?. You do seem very eager to void this season.
What options are on the table?
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2 minutes ago, Mucho said:
Who’s to say we will be playing in July or August? They’ve given themselves 3 weeks to monitor the outbreak. No decision has been made or is likely before then unless as is predicted by specialists it becomes 10x’s worse. Only alternative to not finishing the season then would be to take current league positions as final and award titles/ promotion to teams at the top. Hard lines on those that are relegated.
We might not be. You can't use current league posiitons with some teams having played more games than others, that would create havoc.
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2 minutes ago, 8MileBU said:
I agree with most of this but let’s just remain objective. Unlikely yes, but it might just mean we get going again with no over 70s attending games for all we know. From what the news are reporting this morning, herd immunity is NOT the approach they’re intending to take but either way, the ongoing work indecision of the powers that be is enough of a stress. Personally I wish they’d just announce a fucking lockdown for a fortnight and take it from there. The virus is almost a second thought now and it’s the uncertainty of everything because of dickhead politicians pissing around is what’s most brutal and worrying everyone.
It's a fast changing picture that's for sure, and politicians playing games isn't helpful.
4-5 months without any football isn't a prospect I'm looking forward to
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1 minute ago, albynpark said:
Clubs will have to suck that up and manage that, all clubs will be in the same position so that's fair. But you shouldn't have a void season when there's a solution to this, it's grossly unfair to teams like Bo'ness who have put resources and effort to be where they are and to other teams who have put themselves in good positions. They should all have a shot at the title while not having it given to them. I can't see a competitive game until well after October after a pre warm-up period, it could even be next year! mix in a local league cup with neighbouring teams, we've got enough fixtures. Apart from contracts, It doesn't disrupt next season if it's not started until 2021
You can't have a never ending season for reasons I posted earlier, if what you say turns out to be correct on date of resumption, then all the more reason to void this season and start afresh when we can.
The South of Scotland League voided season 2000-2001 due to foot and mouth, it was suspended in February, so there's your precedent right there.
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15 minutes ago, 8MileBU said:
Whilst I agree the season being voided is the likely outcome, the tone of your last couple of posts on the matter are pretty bleak, full of gloom and read like the season being voided is a given which it isn’t yet.
So whilst I think you’re probably right, we’re all missing football already and most of us are trying to maintain a positive outlook that the season can be finished one way or another. So whilst there’s still a degree of uncertainty, I think I’d rather be reading stand-offish posts saying ‘Lets wait and see’ or the like than bleak ‘That’s it, season over!’ posts like it’s already been officially decided to void.
I'm just calling it how I see it, we need to deal with the reality of the situation and we're not going to be playing football anytime soon sadly.
If the Govt is about to advise the over 70's to reduce their social interaction for 4 months, and are looking at shutting down non-essential services eg. all shops apart from supermarkets and pharmacies, people working from home or not at all, and telling us that herd immunity is their intention ie most people get it, then you have to ask yourself about the reality of this season continuing.
The Ross County Chairman said yesterday we would struggle to get the new season started on time, let alone complete this one. Personally I think there needs to be a reasonably early call on this so clubs, players, officials and fans know where they stand.
I'm choking for a game of football as much as anyone else BTW, but we need to be sensible.
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28 minutes ago, Mucho said:
Kudos for being honest buddy. Everyone wants to see an outcome that’s best for their own club, it’s human nature. Fairest way for all IMHO is to complete this season before starting another whether that means resuming on the 3rd of April playing behind closed doors or waiting until June. That will be up to the authorities and who knows how that will turn out. Every true fan wants to see the season finished. Those that claim it’s daft and want to see this season null and void are saying fook you to Kelty & Bonnyrigg Rose, fook you to Bo’ness , Broxburn and H.O.B. Fook you too Tynecastle and the 4 other clubs who still have a chance of promotion from the other conference.
No, those who are saying void the season are dealing with reality and practicalities of this, and wanting to minimise disruption to next season. You won't be playing in April or June.
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4 minutes ago, albynpark said:
Well not scrapping it but postponing the start off next season. All depends on when clubs are allowed to play again and after a warm-up period. It could be next year before we can start again. It's just an option to consider when we have more answers in place. I'd rather that than 5 games a week
What about players who have already signed for someone else next season? What about players who are out of contract by then and won't re-sign? What about new players you have signed for next season from other clubs? What about the new applicant clubs who expect to be playing EoS next season? Clubs could be faced with completely different squads by the time we re-start, and it will take about 3 months to finish the season.
If you void the season, you start afresh come August (or whenever) without creating problems that don't need created.
It will be painful for those clubs on the verge of promotion or winning something, but I really can't see a workable alternative that doesn't disrupt another season.
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Just now, albynpark said:
I don't know if this has been suggested but a simple solution, scrap season 2020/21. We go on a long break until the virus is gone. Then continue the fixtures where we left off. I think we'll start around Septemberish after a warm-up spell to get match fitness. We will have plenty of time to get the fixtures done. And no midweek games and maybe an extra league format cup if we need extra games. We could also think about alligning into summer football, but that's too much forward thinking for one day
The problem is financial. Hopefully some kind of tax breaks or government funds to help cover the burden.
Scrap NEXT season?
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Fairly grim reading here, football the least of our concerns. Peak predicted to be end of May to mid-June, then reducing over next 10 weeks, only to become worse again as we enter winter.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Far less finishing this season, we'll struggle to get next season off the ground.
Time to start planning to keep our clubs going during the shutdown.