Clyde01

I think Cowdenbeath managed this ‘special’ achievement too.

The Livi proposal seems reasonable but would keep playoffs as they are and bring the premier league playoff inline with that. There’s no way that 2 relegation spots in league 2 would gain support. 1 automatic relegation spot so that the HL/LL playoff winner gains automatic promotion is more realistic (and should happen) although even then I’m sceptical it would be supported by league 2 clubs.

All 2 of them?

You probably brought more supporters to Stranraer than they managed in the home end.

If we had the decision of only keeping one of them I would choose Grant. He is a bigger influence on how we play as a team, getting hold of the ball at the base of midfield and making us tick. Generally if Grant plays well, the team plays well. He rarely wastes a pass and is very composed. McStay is a good player too though and has the attributes to develop into a very good player. He is more prone to losing the ball, partly as he plays further up the park and tried to make things happen, but also partly through carelessness. As mentioned if he goes full time and is well coached he has cracking potential.

To get this agreed I think a longer term 14 team top flight would need to be the plan, rather than just a single season. Otherwise it just blatantly to save hearts and any other ‘best for the game’ context is straight out the window. As someone just mentioned there would be a split and still 4 old firm games so that argument is a non-starter. The splitting of finances could be overcome by keeping payments due to clubs 13 and 14 smaller, more in line with current championship top 2, again a solution that’s been floated on here. Relegation is a key factor too. If it’s 3 relegation places next season that’s going to send arses twitching all the way down the leagues, especially in league 2. If there was a longer commitment to a 14 team league then teams like st mirren, Ross county etc would be more likely in favour as they would fancy staying in a 14 league but be shitting it if there was 3 relegation spots.

He has the ability but would need to be far more consistent and impose himself more on games to make it at that level I would say. He has the potential to develop into a right good player though.

I’m hoping we vote against it too. 12 points off Falkirk, derbies against thistle, big away supports. That would do us fine.

Box to box midfielder. Good player but inconsistent. Goes from sublime to pish and back again, sometimes within a 5 minute spell.

Nice try, but mostly inaccurate. Vaduz are regular entrants to Europe because they win the Liechtenstein cup every season without fail. They do play in the Swiss league system but rarely in the top tier. They are mostly a second tier side and were when they played Falkirk. Since beating Falkirk most of the teams they have beaten are from minnow nations like Gibraltar, San Marino, Wales, Estonia. There are no significantly bigger sides as you claim. [emoji23]

I’ve no real problem with the cup winner qualifying for Europe along with the top 3 league sides, but no cup runners up. If that’s a smaller side then so be it, they earned it by winning the cup rather than just reaching the final.

Letting diddies like Dunfermline, Falkirk, Gretna, QOTS represent us in Europe led to some absolutely shameful results. It should definitely be our 4 best league sides that go forward each season and even then results are a mixed bag.

In terms of sporting fairness the 14-10-10-10 is probably best. Promote 2 and relegate none doesn’t really punish anyone. However by forcing through the current vote which is now the default if no further agreement is reached it’s become interesting. You are basically asking League 1 clubs to vote for swapping Thistle & Falkirk for Stranraer & Edinburgh. From a purely financial point of view that’s a no brainer. Maybe reconstruction won’t get the support it needs.

League 1 for next season as it stands currently: Partick thistle Falkirk Airdrie East fife Montrose Dumbarton Clyde Forfar Peterhead Cove rangers League 1 if 2 up none down model happens: Airdrie East fife Montrose Dumbarton Clyde Forfar Peterhead Stranraer Cove rangers Edinburgh Even if we don’t get kicked into the bottom tier and they decide to promote 2 teams and scrap relegation we are going to be a lot worse off financially. No disrespect but swapping thistle and Falkirk for Stranraer and Edinburgh would be awful in terms of away crowds.

That’s not a bad base to start from, would love to keep Raymond grant too [emoji7].

What’s the incentive for making the top 4? If the top three are all well clear your better chucking a few games to be 5th before the split as if your 4th there’s no European spot. Plus there is plenty of evidence of horrific results (Kilmarnock this season) when we put forward our best 4 sides to Europe. It would be far worse if we reward weaker sides, that’s why we stopped cup runners up from qualifying.

I doubt we will be signing anyone or even giving new contracts until there is some clarity over when next season will be starting, so that will leave us with the players currently on 2 years deals. Can’t remember who they all are: goodie, Mitchell, mcniff plus a few others.

To be fair not many other teams in the league managed to beat you lot. Only 4 defeats and 3 of them against Clyde. Pleasing.

Could it be that Dundee were angling for a 14 team premier league for more than a single season. If it’s only for a single season then we are committed to that before the campaign starts so everyone would know where they stand around relegation places BUT what if it’s actually quite popular. Going for 2 seasons could mean a vote after the first season is complete on whether to revert back or keep a 14 team premier. If voting to revert back this could then be implemented over the second season. From Dundee’s point of view that doesn’t get them up this season but it puts them in the driving seat next season with a potential 14 team league still in place making it easier to stay up.

Clyde - we beat Falkirk 3 times out of 3 so are clearly superior.

An easier shot at promotion for next season is really all they can hope for.

The reconstruction vote doesn’t have to be anything to do with that though. Can’t see why rangers or Celtic would have an objection to a 14 team premier league.

Surely this reconstruction task force is going to have to get the job done fairly quickly as we now have Stranraer, Thistle, Hearts, ICT, Falkirk, Edinburgh, Kelty, Brora all in limbo. They won’t be able to budget or plan ahead without certainty on which division they will be playing in.

Dirty deeds done dirt cheap

Surely uefa could start by saying there will be no champions league or Europa league for season 2020/21. That would free up a hell of a lot of midweek slots and make next season manageable even if the start is delayed. Uefa could potentially play the remaining ties from this seasons competition as a filler throughout the season. Given that the early qualifying rounds start in about 2 weeks I think cancelling these is pretty much inevitable.