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Did Marr not present the polls as evidence that YES were losing and invite Salmond to comment or was it a completely unrelated question?
No, it was Salmond who mentioned the poll
Can you specifically point out where she was asked to comment?
As far as I can see, her quote is contained in an SNP press release. The release gives some figures, then Nicola gives her unsolicited take on what the figures mean.
I fail to see how this differs from what Eck did.
Seriously Ecto, stop digging. Admit you lied & were called on it.
Am not the one digging, you are the one finding the info, to in some way to protect Salmond, you know he is a "big boy" who is more than capable of sticking up for himself
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Why are you so upset about don't knows being excluded anyway?
excluding the Dks, slightly skews the actual poll result, appears the side losing are doing better than they are
So, when Alex Salmond comments on a poll result, that's somehow different from Nicola Sturgeon commenting on a poll result?
Surely you're not suggesting that there is a serious difference because Alex appears to have worked out the percentage excluding DK's by himself, and Nicola has had someone do the sums for her?
What a strange view to take.
Eck is a bad man because he can do arithmetic Difference being Sturgeon commented on actual poll standing, when asked, Salmond on the Marr show quoted the poll unsolicited and did not explain how he came to his outcome
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Give up, Ecto
Here's a direct quote from Sturgeon on 23rd February
SNP Depute Leader and Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said: “These are very encouraging figures, indicating a two-point tightening of the gap since the last Panelbase poll two weeks ago. Yes is now at 44 per cent once ‘don’t knows’ are excluded."
http://www.government-world.com/panelbase-poll-shows-2-point-narrowing-of-gap/
Are you finally going to admit that the story you made up about Salmond was a lie?
Nae luck there chief, she is only commenting on a point already made in the report, this is no different from your last attempt, carry on
What does the FM have on you, that you are so protective of him and your desire to "finger" Sturgeon?
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Oh dear. Keep digging, Ecto.
Same search as before with the word "Sturgeon" added throws up Nicola using figures with "Don't Knows" excluded back in January 2014.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-snp-claim-within-3065487
What next? Are you going to claim that Salmond was the first male politician to use this dastardly trick?
My allegation that you were talking sh*te has been proved to be correct. Congratulations (yet again) on buying into the whole "Better Together" ethos.
She is only making comment on a Daily Record poll, she is not making the claim, Salmond made the claim, deflection again keep digging, am sure you can find some junior member of the SNP who might have said it to another SNP nobody, this obviously means a lot to you
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Ecto - it's not about defending Salmond. It's more about exposing the lies promoted by the No side, including your ridiculous assertion that Salmond was the first to exclude "Don't Knows" when reporting poll results.
Now you've put a date on your claim, all I need to do to prove that you are wrong is to find one earlier occurrence where someone else uses figures that exclude don't know.
A two minute google search brings up this article, by John Curtice, published on Friday 14th March 2014, in which he states "In a dozen polls conducted between September and November, the Yes vote was put on average at 38 per cent (excluding the 'don't knows'). In 13 polls fielded since the end of November through to the middle of February, however, that average has increased to 41 per cent."
http://www.ippr.org/juncture/how-the-snp-could-win-the-independence-referendum
Now, I'm not suggesting that Curtice was the first to do this, but it conclusively demonstrates that people were using figures with "Don't know" excluded before Salmonds appearance on the Andrew Marr show.
So, as we all expected, my allegation that you were talking sh*te has been proved to be correct. Congratulations (again) on buying into the whole "Better Together" ethos.
as usual a through answer, but reading is not your thing, Professor Curtice is NOT a politician, so the above was, well a waste of time, I made the point that Salmond on the Marr show was the 1st POLITICIAN to use this method, but am sure you will spend time on attempting to find someone who may have said it 20 minutes before Salmond did, but if that what "floats your boat" who am I to take that away from you
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So, how about some proof that he was the first to do it during "this vote only"?
I'm starting to think you just make "facts" up and post them without thinking. Congratulations on buying into the whole "Better Together" ethos.
The defence of Mr Salmond on this forum, from so many is admirable, but it would appear that many on this forum care more about what people think of Alex Salmond than he does, but you have a bit of a neck of accusing me of "buying into something", on the 16th of March appeared on Andrew Marr Show, quoted a Daily Record/Survation Poll without the Dks, Blair Jenkins then used the same method on Scotland Tonight the following week, since then both sides have been at it
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Any chance of some proof of your views, ecto?
If I've got you right, you're suggesting that Salmond was the first ever politician to discount DK's from a poll in advance of a Scottish referendum.
Here's a link to Ipso-Mori figures from 1979
and a copy of the final table on the page, which shows shows voting intentions in the run-up to the poll, and the final result.
Base: All giving a referendum voting intention (i.e. repercentaged to exclude "don't knows")
12-14 February 1979 Yes 64% No 36%
20-22 February 1979 Yes 60% No 40%
27-28 February 1979 Yes 50% No 50%
Referendum result 1 March 1979 Yes 51.6% No 48.4%
Can you either specifically show that these results were issued by Salmond, or provide proof that figures that excluded "Don't Know" at were used by him at an earlier date.
Alternatively, you could confirm that you were making stuff up again?
edit to sort table formatting problems & me typing "No" where I meant to say "Don't Know" at one point
I did state this vote only, but stout defence of "yer man" for reasons I have no clue of
PS but a good read anyway
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What do you mean by "this campaign"? Wasnt that prior the campaign period starting?
you are right it was during the 3 year pre-campaign, campaign
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What's wrong with discounting people who don't know how they'll vote? And there is no way in hell Alex Salmond was the first to do that. Standard practice for many polls.
He was the 1st Politician of this campaign to do it, but not the last I surmise
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Wow. The Lake District has worked wonders on you. Kudos for having the integrity to post the above.
But I will say both sides have been a bit naughty with the polls, it was Salmond on the now infamous Marr show when he claimed a recent poll had the Yes vote at 45%, but he had discounted the Dks, that was the 1st time he had used this, and since then both sides have done this
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http://bettertogether.net/blog/entry/new-poll-delivers-fresh-blow-to-salmond
Link to Better Together's own page? Check
Better Together claim that it's a YouGov survey? Check
Mention that it's for Progressive Partnership? Check
Mention of release of poll result being 11 May 2014? Check
You're talking sh*te again, Ecto. Better Together quite clearly claim everything I've accused them of:
Incidentally, you'll also find a full report on this scam here: http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/according-to-better-togethers-own-logic.html
and here: http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/huge-surge-in-support-for-independence.html
I'm particularly impressed with the predictive skills Scot Goes Pop displays in his third last paragraph of the earlier report
Meanwhile, our dear friends over in the official anti-independence campaign continue with their relentless quest to shed any last vestiges of self-respect. When the PSO poll was published a few hours ago, they posted a graphic on Twitter comparing it to the YouGov poll from ten days ago, rather than to the last poll conducted by PSO. By sheer coincidence, this piece of jiggery-pokery gives the grossly misleading impression that there has in fact been a big swing to the No campaign, rather than the other way around. But don't worry - you can rest assured that they'll maintain consistency at all times...
well you have my apologies
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Wait a minute here.
Remember the Progressive Partnership poll a few weeks ago? The No side claimed that that poll was carried out by YouGov.
If that was considered to be a Yougov poll when it suited Better Together's agenda at the time, why is it being ignored now?
Would it be because they would have to report:
Yes 36% (+4)
No 53% (+1)
That's a 4% increase for Yes in just over a month, according to the logic that BT applied in May. Why doesn't the same logic apply in June?
they did not claim that all, whose now using it for their own agenda
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Any comment on the PB, ICM and Survation polls all showing swings to Yes?
Yes Scotland are not using the word "swing" nor are they not using "momentum" or "trend" anymore, the current in word is "shift", i.e. the above polls are showing a "shift" towards Yes Scotland, where as the ICM Poll is not, so what the current polls are saying I have no clue, you pays your money you takes your choice
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Good show old chap.
Be nice of him to stay in the shadows whilst Alex Salmond laps up the sunlight. Yah.
Sunlight, thought the games were being held in Glasgow
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Cameron with his St George flag tucked away in his Mrs handbag.
doubt he will even attend, its the cricket season, what
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Only one winner now really.. Commonwealth games still to come.. eng in w cup.. and not that I take any satisfaction in it but blairs illegal war is coming back to haunt him, that will also push up Yes.
Surely we need to keep politics out of the Commonwealth Games
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Has Prof Curtis had his say yet. That should knock a couple of points off yes...
Prof Curtice is pretty fair to both sides, so a little naughty ^^^^
Latest icm poll has 45 yes and 55 no,thats yes up 3% on icm
Thought we had stagnated??
there are some good polls around for Yes Scotland, normally this thread would be jumping, what is going on?
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New Survation poll in tomorrow's Record.
YES 39 (+2) NO 44 (-3) DK 17 (NC) Without DKs YES 47 NO 53
Thought Yes Scotland and the SNP would still be cock-a-hoop over this poll, but the Campbell Gunn story or non-story depending on your view the JK Rowling and Claire Lally abuse has taken the shine off, what should have been Yes Scotland's and the SNP's best week for a little while, in fact Yes Scotland have been almost invisible and the SNP have looked a little ragged
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It's getting softer by the day. Must be the summer heat.
Softer than Harry Potter without his magic wand.
you are aware that JK Rowling does write fantasy fiction?
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5 minutes too long imo.
Am just jealous. Hiked the Lake District a few times. Still in love with the whole area.
1st time I had been, it was wonderful, will be back and often
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The only thing that makes me insane is reading your and some of your fellow Unionists posts!
oddly enough, it is the opposite for me
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Wow. Your post started nice and calm but got more unravelled, more angry and more bonkers as it went on.
Sterling work.
as i said it is only my view, but angry, not any more, have decided that calmness is the way forward
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I have spent the last 2 days in the Lake District with no Internet and I found the time liberating, I have found having time to reflect on life and what is important, I have decided to become a more reasoned and calm human being, I also took time to reflect on what I have read on this forum, I have come to the conclusion that many who post on here are in fact insane or lonely, many I think would benefit from a relationship with someone of the of the opposite sex or the same sex , whichever takes there fancy, in fact the dirtier the better, am sure this would take away many of the frustrations that many of them appear to be feeling
What was your methodology for forming such an opinion. And did you realll spend the weekend in the beautiful surroundings of the lake district reflecting on P&B?
no about 5 minutes while on Lake Windermere on a steamer, it is only my view on what i have read on P&B that was my methodology
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What a weird post. Are you suggesting that in order to form a personal opinion we must reference our methodology? You need to step away from the internet for a wee while.
I have spent the last 2 days in the Lake District with no Internet and I found the time liberating, I have found having time to reflect on life and what is important, I have decided to become a more reasoned and calm human being, I also took time to reflect on what I have read on this forum, I have come to the conclusion that many who post on here are in fact insane or lonely, many I think would benefit from a relationship with someone of the of the opposite sex or the same sex , whichever takes there fancy, in fact the dirtier the better, am sure this would take away many of the frustrations that many of them appear to be feeling
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no, will accept the result whatever way it goes and just get on with it, as we all will all have to, but some of us will find it easier than others