MacDonald Jardine
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1 minute ago, Am Featha *****h Nan Clach said:
My experience is that people who earn more than teachers support inflation matching wage rises as it's a graduate job with a significant degree of responsibility.
It tends to be those who earn less who get in a tizzy. There seems to be a real bitterness that other people are getting higher % wage rises. I fully support ALL council/govt employees getting meaningful increases. It's divide and conquer.
Teaching wages have fallen significantly below the amount expected due to inflation over the last 20 years.
There are a number of graduate jobs with a significant degree of responsibility in local government.
I work in one if them.
There are 4 bargaining groups within local government
Teachers, single status, craft and chief officers.
As a rule the latter ask for no better or worse than other groups.
The focus of the middle two has largely been on increasing the wages of the lowest paid in the last few years
Teachers are a group apart.
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10 minutes ago, TxRover said:
“Almost half the year” is a bulls**t attempt to overstate by including weekends and such. Instead, why not note that the “extra holidays” you are bemoaning the teachers getting are fixed periods during which holidays are at the most expensive, and that they receive very limited ability to take time off from work during the term.
They don't have limited ability to take time off at other times. They just don't get paid for them.
Holidays are at their most expensive because families can only take holidays during these periods too.
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6 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:
You're being rather silly with this "half the year" lark.
You're implying teachers are on holiday for around half the year. They're not.
Teachers do get good holidays. Nobody would suggest otherwise. Don't be dishonest though.
Fair enough. I missed weekends out that calculation.
The principle holds though.
About 104 days per year are weekends.
Teachers' holidays are about a quarter of the "normal working days" of the year.
Far more than anyone else gets.
As previously you are correct they are constrained in when they can take holidays within that large window.
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Just now, Am Featha *****h Nan Clach said:
3% backdated a year as there was no pay rise for a year, 7% then an additional 3 the year after.
In the last 2 years, pay has risen 1.22% then 1%
There was a pay rise that year. It wasn’t implemented at the start of the year but was then as you say backdated
There was then a further increase in the same financial year.
You're right about the last couple of years. That's the same as other local government employees got
Not that you'll see that as relevant
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2 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:
You don't work "all year" if you take holidays at points of your choosing.
That is typical of the obtuse arguments you get from teachers and their supporters.
Getting 6-7 weeks to take off is hardly the same as almost half the year.
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2 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:
As could any employee during weekends, holidays, nights etc - basically any time off they have.
There's clearly resentment here over teachers getting decent (fixed) holidays, but it's not particularly relevant.
Decent? It's 47% of the year.
I accept within that window the holidays are fixed.
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2 minutes ago, Am Featha *****h Nan Clach said:
The previous pay rise was not 10% in a year. It was just over 13% over 3 years.
My recollection us there was a 3% rise from April then a further 7% in January one year.
I think it was 2018.
Is that wrong?
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Just now, Monkey Tennis said:
Where are you getting ten months from?
It's like any job. There's an annual salary and there's a holiday entitlement.
It isn't though.
Any other job you work all year, with statutory holiday entitlement, or in some cases particularly in the public sector a higher entitlement
Not many compare to the teachers' working year.
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2 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:
Thanks for telling me. I'd no idea.
Todd is claiming that the salary somehow needs scaled up by a massive amount to reflect what it really is. He appears to be under the impression that teachers get paid over ten month contracts, like lowly footballers or something.
It's nonsense.
That does ignore the fact that if they choose they can take on other work during the 170 days they aren't conteacted to work if they're struggling
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3 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:
I've asked you already.
what are you on about with this "annualised salary" caper?
Teachers are paid an annual salary.
It's based on working 195 days per year, 190 of which are in front of a class.
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1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said:
Someone on an annualised salary of over £50k bemoaning a 5% pay rise is quite something tbh.
You're perfectly entitled to ask for what you want, btw, but be honest about what it is - an opportunistic cash grab to drive your base salary up for years to come.
Bear in mind teachers got a 10% increase a few years ago.
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51 minutes ago, Am Featha *****h Nan Clach said:
A 5% increase for a teacher at the top of the scale (after teaching for 6 years) works out at something like a £110 increase a month in take home wage.
My costs for electricity/gas, shopping and petrol have gone up more than that per month over the last year. I would be surprised if it was not the same for the vast majority. I simply don't think I should be expected to be worse off just because other people earn less money than me.
Given the inflation rates everyone is worse off even after pay rises.
I'm a local government employee and the teachers' grasp on reality and more particularly sense of entitlement is extraordinary.
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I hate to say it but Celtic was first class.
The game became an early kick off so we got breakfast with drinks before the game then a meal afterwards.
No shortage of drink.
Hearts was good the one time I was there but tempered a bit by being midweek.
I was at a couple about 25-30 years ago.
Rangers was okay but the best thing was the ex players.
Motherwell was great other than being stuck in a glass box to watch the game.
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25 minutes ago, Casagolda said:
But surely the only reason Moult does that is because Gordon comes flying out at him no?
Like I’ve not seen it back but if Gordon doesn’t come charging out, isn’t Moult getting a clear strike at goal? So I don’t see how Gordon’s actions can’t be seen as denying a goal scoring opportunity.
As for the game, we shat it. Against 10 men for over an hour and we didn’t start playing till we were 2-0 down. Then we stopped playing once we’d equalised only to have another wee flurry once we went behind again.
Entertaining game of football but an utterly predictable outcome.
Whatever the rights or wrongs of that one, he was bang out of order booking Hearts' captain for querying the sending off.
I suspect that was on his mind too.
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10 hours ago, Florentine_Pogen said:
"It is poetic, of course, that economic distortion explains much of this. In Scotland little is said when Rangers – or Celtic – run over the top of clubs who spend a tiny fraction of their budget. It would seem amusing if either of Scotland’s big two cried foul at the kind of fiscal gulfs which suit them perfectly well on any given Saturday. Liverpool are, at least, one of the finest club sides in world football; money has been appropriately spent."
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"On nights such as this, Rangers go from being the biggest fish in the tiniest of ponds to chasing shadows."
Biggest fish? Given that Celtic recently beat this Rangers team 4-0 (and it could have been more), Liverpool winning 2-0 isn't the symbol of utter dominance Murray suggests. Quite how he thinks a team who aren't league champions, who have won the league only once in over a decade (during the fan-free Covid season), are "the biggest fish in a tiniest pond", only he can say. Downplaying Celtic's achievements has become a signature of Murray's reporting. But erasing their existence is an interesting approach, even for someone with his ingrained bias."Fuckin hell.
Paranoia alive and well I see .
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28 minutes ago, Hoose Rice said:
We drew with the team and scored twice against the team you just got murdered 4-0 (going on 9) to.
Well done . Trophy in the post is it?
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7 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:
No
But being the least shite of a load of shite isn't really much consolation, is it?
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It's some consolation.
Better than not being the best of the rest.
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8 minutes ago, Hoose Rice said:
Hearts are shit and being found out. Think its called second season syndrome after promotion
Is it aye?
Come back when your team can compete.
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1 minute ago, Jacksgranda said:
Third best team in Scotland rinsed 4-0 at home by the runners up.
Doesn’t say much for the rest does it?
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4 minutes ago, welldaft said:
Just heading back into City Centre. So glad we did those arseholes. A draw would have been about right based on chances but I could not give less of a f**k. Shove your IRA songs up your arses
Hopefully it'll stop the cosy love-in some have with Ireland.
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20 minutes ago, oaksoft said:
Anyone earning above the median wage by definition has "broader shoulders".
£40k is considerably above the median wage in Scotland and anyone on that figure and above should be showing pay restraint at this moment in time to allow those at the bottom to receive the help they absolutely must have.
And anyone slightly below by definition has broader shoulders than those on the lowest wages.
Should they get less too?
I also trust you'll let us know when it's acceptable for public sector workers earning above the median to request a pay rise.
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12 minutes ago, oaksoft said:
At this moment in time when there's clearly limited funds for pay rises and that money is needed by those at the bottom? Yes. Absolutely.
It's where the entire ethos of "broader shoulders" comes from - a position you've apparently supported right up until the picosecond that you realised you might be one of those who had to sacrifice to help those at the bottom.
What does that have to do with what that nonsense you claimed I'd said about employee benefits?
What counts as "higher wages"?
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13 minutes ago, Leith Green said:
None of them were in the least controversial - in fact Shankland was an arm in Taylors puss, could easily have been a (soft) straight red.
No it couldn't.
There was a coming together, nothing more.
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Just now, Melanius Mullarkay said:
Conference league against the posties and joiners of Eastern Europe it is then.
We'll see
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The years of discontent, 2022/23
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Aye it's a broad church right enough