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I totally agree......I genuinely wasn't belittling the campaign for the full facts to be exposed by the families, just raising points often forgotten by the bandwagon jumpers as you say.

Please point out any inaccuracies.....

I sent him a PM informing him upon the news breaking!

What don't you get wisbit?

I wasn't defending the Sun nor the Police. I alluded to the cover up in the Police's "actions" & "inactions" as well as the Government of the days destain for football & its ongoing issues with hooliganism back then hence a lack of shock or surprise at this was eventually exposed. The hysteria created by some in pointing the finger at the Police for being solely responsible for the deaths (or murders according to some) is as inaccurate as blaming the Belgian bricklayers for the wall that collapsed at Hysel in '85. It was a "series of events" that lead to the deaths of the 96 fans and as despicable as some of the "actions" & "inactions" of the Police........they weren't soley responsible.........which was the point I was making.

I really don't mean to disrespect the 96 people that sadly lost their lives that day but they really have been turned into martyrs for some sort of righteous cause.........of course I'm glad that the Hillsborough Report has finally exposed the negligent actions of the Police that day but anyone that is old enough to remember what football was REALLY like back then wasn't really shocked or surprised.......football & its supporters back then wasn't this happy, cuddly & media friendly game it is today......it was an ugly beast that was a national embarassment to the Government.....football hooligans were as real as the 38 dead corpses at Hysel just a few year earlier. Yes, the Police were at fault for some of their actions & inactions that day.......but so too were the ticketless fans in entering a confined space within the Leppings Lane terrace.....I guess that doesn't suit the agenda though.

Jamie Borthwick ‏@jamiekborthwick 8m Full reaction from Tynecastle Stadium on STV News tonight. 12 months in administration is over for Hearts.

The empty pen was for "overspilling" fans into to prevent congestion if either or both of the other two pens became overcrowded.

^^^bus driver type posts.

Depends upon your starting fitness.....do you do any other sports? You'll be fine though.....there's no time limit & I was really shocked at the amount of people that stop to walk in places on the Edinburgh 5k a few years back!

You never hear of the ticketless fans from that day being quite so vilified.....

Now that DOES fcuk me off!

^^^jaffa

It was some side with Matthiaus, Bremhe, Klinsmann, Voller etc (sp).....They were the best team in the tournament although in fairness England gave them a hell of a game on the SF in Turin.

belting top!

Oh wisbit When will you ever learn?

What you need to remember EGB is that wisbit's got one ride in him and that's what's holding him together.......

<<< Still hasn't recovered from that "pumping"

Offfftttt!

and St Mirren surely?

so two isolated occasions constitutes "ultimate bottle merchants" does it wisbit? Oh wisbit

Oh wisbit The two occasions which you mentioned were one offs. You, however posting drivel on P&B in your spunk stained St Mirren pj's from your mums spare room on the other hand........an ongoing tragedy.

and what do you base such a theory on, wisbit?

enough of the excuses EGB......just get her pumped!

Fried? Story says they were hit by falling trees/branches/debris!