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Wouldn't bother me either way. This thread is for Leeds fans and those with an interest in Leeds to exchange views and to post & read info relating to the club. Those that aren't interested can simply choose not to open the thread if that's the way they feel.

You said only Leeds supporters are incapable of celebrating without invading the pitch and assualting people. That isn't the case.

I suspect you'd like that to be the case but we both know it isn't.

Viitorul never turned up for todays pre season game, to give the fans something to watch they're putting on a Leeds vs Leeds match. https://twitter.com/LUFC

Not sure we've turned the financial corner just yet, from the pre season tour of Italy.

The club has been systematically fleeced since 2007, during that time there have been various groups set up to challenge the club (LLHB, T4K for example & to a degree LUST) protest marches, boycotts, protests at the stadium etc, I think the whole dissidents, moron, sickpot thing must have passed you buy. The club was financiallly crippled before Cellinos arrival and the team was abject. It's to early to say if he'll be able to improve the situation or not. I'd accept there has to be concerns over some of his decisions and his past but he'll have to stand or fall by the decisions he' s made at LUFC. I haven't see one piece of evidence to suggest he's fleecing the club yet, we'll know more when we see the accounts. On the Leeds fans not making their feelings known to Cellino I think you'll find that in the past he was chased round the West Stand Car Park by Leeds fans and he had to be rescued by West Yorkshire Police. When we wanted rid of Bates it took time to realise that he wasn't interested in fans opinions he just wanted their cash, fans voted with their feet and Bates needed out. We've been through it before and know we can do it again if we have to.

BBC Sports Journo Adam Pope Interviewed Cellino, during the interview Massimo claimed that Leeds are now debt free and have £20 million working capital plus the unbudgeting income from the sale of Ross McCormack https://twitter.com/APOPEY Quote a turn around from the financial news from LUFC just 2 months ago. Seems we've done a deal with GFH to free up cash, not sure I'd want to get any further into bed with that lot and that only partly explains our latest financial position.

Seemed a funny situation at the tail end of last season with Butland coming in and taking the number 1 shirt. Was Paddy Kenny injured throughout that whole period?

I suspect the terms of his contract has a lot to do with it, rumour is he's one on a decent contract. Re the pre season footage of PK, don't know for sure but wasn't it established the video footage recorded had been distorted?

Yes, probably not a big thing on this thread because given the chaos at LUFC at the moment it hardly even registers. As an example of another mad story that hasn't been mentioned here over the last 24 hours it seem LUFC's 1st choice Keeper Paddy Kenny is out of favour with LUFC because he was born on the wrong date. Our current owner thinks anything related to the number 17 is bad news. Same story with the colour purple apparently.

No he isn't.

I used to love the players training on Fulerton Park, you could queue up for your tickets and then watch the first team practice, also I see the beck behind the North Stand which I think has been undergrund since the M621 construction.

Agreed, makes no sense to me either. Innocent or just naive, can't make my mind up which.

It's hard to separate the facts from spin from memory it seems to have gone like this, so many parties / individuals with their own agendas. Cellino metions in WLR interivew that Bates & Haigh are working together, Moscow White's piece you posted above seems to support that. Cellino sacks Haigh and reports Haigh to West Yorkshire Police for fraud, Haigh then claims that drugs were consumed in the Elland Road Boadroom. Somewhere in this SC & Haigh issue a winding up order on the club. Cellino calls in foresenic accountants to investigate the clubs finances. Haigh says on twitter that he intends to do a series of interviews whcih will blow the lid on the Leeds story. Haigh is offered a job by GFH and is arrested for fraud, money laundering and embezzlement when he lands in Dubai. Latest tweets from Adam Pope claim the amount in question is £4 million, and the national fraud Burea have reffered the case to WYP. Seems clear to me Cellino suspects foul play & has reported David Haigh to WYP for fraud, I suspect there is more to this than meets the eye. It would have been interesting to hear Haigh's side of the story but I suspect that's never going to happen now.

Earlier in the thread a few of us were scratching our heads on the back of club losses, a couple of Adam Pope's recent tweets might shine a bit of light on that. https://twitter.com/APOPEY Adam Pope @APOPEY · 48m The UK's Action Fraud confirm they have received a report of allegations of fraud & embezzlement made against ex #lufc MD David Haigh. Adam Pope @APOPEY · 44m #lufc David Haigh remains under arrest in Dubai, without charge, on allegations by GFH Capital of fraud & embezzlement of almost £4m. For me the finances have never added up since admin in 2007, I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out the clubs been skimmed for years.

It's tough for those that don't live close to pay by cash, the Zebra finance deal is a good one and I've used them before without a problem. The whole winding up order seems a bag of snakes to me & complicated at the moment by Haigh being in the clink in the middle east.

Credit & Debit Card sales for season tickets suspended http://www.leedsunited.com/news/article/livwmyrumf151xcipqpi9ig11/title/201415-season-tickets-card-payments Zebra finance for me I think.

I agree the Regional Members Clubs have a role and are great at what they do, one thing they are not however is independant from the club. A truly independant oranisation is important in my view, we should have been organised collectively a long time ago. We've endured a string of pretty rank regimes at the club in our recent history (on reflection not so many good ones since SIlver) and it's only in the last couple of years that fans have become organised and started to ask questions of owners. I can't see the club being owned or allowing LUST a shareholding at the moment but who can say what the future holds, if an independant fans group were to hold a share in the club I'm not sure that would be a bad thing. I'm sure the Swansea fans doubted in the past they'd have a share in the club and they seem to have eclipsed us recently and from memory they hold a decent stake in the club.

Each to their own and all that but I have to say I disagree re Gary Cooper and LUST. They aren't without fault and I think they'd hold their hands up to that but on the whole I think their presence has been a good thing. Bates used propganda very effectively & independant voices then were few and far between, people like the square ball and lust were valuable in that respect for me at least. I don't know Gary but he seems to me to a bloke who's willing to put in time and effort and I applaude that, I know him and his family have received some flak as a result of his role at LUST and for me that's unfair.

They're not alone there.

Still in financial dire straits it would seem. I realise the graphics below are from 1 specific season only but I'd say they've been about par for the course / division for every season under Bates since admin in 2007. Makes you wonder just where did all that money go? From Swiss Ramble

According to Phil Hay in the YP today that wouldn't be cheap http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/latest-whites-news/leeds-united-mac-hoping-cellino-will-stand-by-him-1-6574739 The article makes pretty grim reading.

Cellino gave that impression during his infamous WhiteLeedsRadio conversation with TNS, lets wait and see, the financial situation at Elland Road was dire make no mistake. Cellino on the McCormack transfer (from whiteleedsradio interview, credit armchair white for the transcript) He's going to need deep pockets to dig us out of current financial mess.

Haigh walks, spy cameras in the boardroom and the bogs, WYP called in to investigate theft, never a dull moment at LS11 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/apr/11/leeds-united-managing-director-resigns-massimo-cellino-david-haigh

I have to say I wasn't surprised when I saw the result. You'd hope the team would be able to get something out of Blackpool at home on Saturday but they way the team is performing at the moment nothing would surprise me. DId you hear the WLR interviews with Cellino & Bates? Jaw dropping stuff right enough! The latest breakdown of the clubs holding company accounts make grim reading (breakdown from the supporters trust). Accounts here http://www.scribd.com/doc/217018247/Leeds-City-Holdings-Ltd-Report-and-Financial-Statement-Year-Ended-June-2013