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@STVGrant: STV can reveal Rangers haven't met criteria to play in SPL next season, extension given til June 15 to provide accounts http://t.co/0FXeIVL7
What accounts?
Whytes?
D&P's ones since valentines day?
A mix of the two?
All in the administrators' hands now.
But Duff & Duffer would be mad to deliver anything close to saying they were 'audited accounts'.
Obviously every stone that is unturned finds another fine mess, with more still to come.
So whatever is produced by any professional will be so well qualified to be utterly meaningless.
Given there are qualified accountants in the SFA and SPL with reputations to uphold, they must bring this to the attention of anyone making decisions based on such information.
I trust they spell it out to the board members of these bodies so they understand that by going against these warnings they will move to a point of having personal liability.
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Tickets really a creditor?
Extract from the SFA tribunal report.
"74. That in the course of the latter part of August 2011 Mr Ken Olvermanwas contacted by two senior officials of the Customs and Excise (VAT)division of HMRC. Their enquiry was in relation to invoices which hadbeen discovered in the business records of Ticketus which bore to have been raised by Rangers FC. The invoices related to sums of many millions of pounds and the VAT element in each of them had been thesubject of offset by Ticketus in the submission of its VAT returns forthe last period. Such was the size and impact of this offset of VAT which had been paid by Ticketus in respect of these invoices,thatTicketus had made a claim for payment of a substantial sum to itby HMRC by way of recovery of VAT paid.
75. That Mr Ken Olverman, the Financial Controller of Rangers FC had no knowledge of the existence of the invoices purportedly raised byRangers FC. The raising of such invoices was a matter which fell squarely within his sphere of responsibility and it was inconceivable that such invoices for such large sums could be raised and issued fromthe finance office of Rangers FC without his knowledge. He had no knowledge of any agreement with Ticketus which might give rise to any invoice within the period concerned. He was unaware of anycurrent transaction with Ticketus and knew that no sums of moneyhad been received in recent times from Ticketus into any accounts of Rangers FC.
76. That in the course of September 2011 Mr Ken Olverman had sight of the said invoices. The nature and format of the invoices was entirelydifferent to that of invoices raised within the finance office of Rangers
FC. He was of the view that it appeared as though “Clip Art” computer processes had been involved in their creation. They did not appear tohim to resemble any invoices he had ever seen issued by Rangers FC.Having sight of the invoices confirmed his view even further that theyhad not been created within the finance office of Rangers FC. "
If I were a creditor of Rangers, even for the supply of newspapers or flowers, or a Davie Weir chanty, I would contest Ticketus's presence there as a creditor, which can be brought up at the creditors' meeting. . Ticketus paid over their money on the basis of what were dodgy invoices not from Rangers according to the above. They were conned. So let them chase the money they handed over in whatever way they want, but not as a valid creditor.
This will be the place where HMRC must step in and show clarity of intent.
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As what we are learning about Rangers gets dirtier and dirtier, murkier and murkier the impact has been instrumental in how Scottish football clubs have been managed, the creation of a playing field that was not level. The consequences have been many and varied. Not least at a personal level for many supporters as they say their team missing out on cups, ability to play in Europe, even relegation in some cases.
What is the fesaibility of a class action against Rangers and its directors? I ma aware they don't exist for Scotland, but the wonership of Rangers seems to ahve been all over the world, so hopefully ownership has sat at some stage in a country where a class action could be pursued.
Just a thought!
Would be great to see the supporters of all other clubs hound the dogs.
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Florentine_Pogen, on 28 May 2012 - 09:38, said:
http://www.hmfckickb...page__st__15480
This link is to Jambos Kickback. Hope the link works. There are a couple of posts by Hagar the Horrible on the RFC Aministration thread - (post nos. 15500 & 15501) which are very, very interesting.
Lifted directly from RTC... discussed on here in the last 30 pages...
Hagar obviously has been close to the action, and the key players. And yes very, very interesting. I am being lazy here, don't have an account for the Jambos site. Hopefully Hagar might be able to join these up???
Going back a bit there was a company GL Group, which was one of Gavin Masterton's babies. Ended in tears for some. Police involved. Think the Bank went down for about £25 million. Bank formed a board level committee at the time to ensure no dirt on them.
Can't find anything via Google other than this http://www.edinburgh-gazette.co.uk/issues/22501/pages/217/page.pdf
Littlewood who gets an honourable mention there was matey with Murray. He ran a business that was into electronics generally, quite clever stuff used in survellience etc. Supplied police forces. He eventually did a bunk across to the US.
Had quite high profile private investors. So young aggressive companies run by young aggressive owners were nice for the Bank of Scotland, but also nice for individual investors.A bit of a win win, help businesses grow while letting some VCs and high net worth individuals get a return. Mezzanine financing was the name of the game.
The behaviour of Littlewood and GL was amazingly similar to Murray and Rangers.
As if they had gone to the same business school. 
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If you look at the companies house records there is definitely a newco about. My recollection is though that this was done with the agreement of the creditors as opposed to being forced upon them. This agreement seems to have appeased the authorities enough to have allowed the history to have been transferred.
Transfer 'history' without the liabilities = asset stripping.
Exactly what the dodgy geezers like Miller & Green want to do, but giving it different names/
Another bit of spin to quantum proportions.
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I'm not worried about the SPL having a 2 down policy at all. I've said before that I think there should be a play-off.
I'm blaming the SFL fans for throwing stones when they live in a glass house. If they want to criticise the SPL's relegation places, they should also do what you have done and acknowledge the issue in their own league.
Is this not a total irrelevance on this thread? I am sure there is a one somewhere for pyramids, promotion, relegation, SFL, Killie stuff, how an egotistical lawyer owner can screw a club, but let's keep on topic here - it is called "The Big Rangers in Administration". .
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I accept your point but there is a difference in that there is already a recognised league setup (the SFL itself) for relegated SPL clubs to drop into. The major obstacle in the path of a pyramid system is the lack of such a recognised non league setup for relegated clubs. If the Juniors/Highland League/EOS and SOS were to come together and form a national non league setup - and it could be done without much significant change to the regional setups which already exist - then I have no doubt that a pyramid would very quickly follow.
This is another reason to send Newco Rangers to the Juniors. I'm sure that the presence of a zombie Rangers side playing non league football and waiting to get back to senior football would focus the minds of the authorities who have until now shown very little initiative in getting a pyramid system in place. We would have a pyramid in no time at all. It would also be the morally correct decision as the objections to Rangers starting again in the SPL apply equally to them starting in SFL 3. Going to the juniors, where they would not be jumping the queue, would be different. And yes, I know fine that it's not going to work out like that.
The juniors would NOT want them. .I am sure there is some Glasgow league suitable. Stick them somewhere in your SFA pyramid, which of course the juniors do not participate in, nor intend to
Why not? Because the senior game is riddled with corruption.
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BETs, brown envelopes tax-free
Given one of the biggest senior clubs had their (EBT) brown envelopes, I would be cautious about accusing junior clubs of anything underhand.
I could name half a dozen senior clubs who do the cash in hand (double contracts). One run by drugs money, one by a convicted fraudster, couple by guys who have had their own companies in administration(s).....not to mention the shadow directors, who legally can't be there but still run the club.
Junior clubs answer to their supporters who for usually a pound a year own their own club. And at AGMs they turn up and ask what they want and vote in who they want to run the club.
It is called democracy. Senior clubs in Scotland do not do democracy.
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The supporters of the 'diddy teams', clubs with lesser voting rights, unequal share of the wealth, who have been cheated and told they are not worthy, that they are not 'the people' - now have hope.
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Good article by Glenn Gibbons in today's Scotsman:
From the article
The Scottish FA’s so-called “fit and proper” test in relation to club executives has been made to look risible by their own president. Campbell Ogilvie’s alleged involvement in the EBT scheme during his time at Rangers may not make him culpable of an offence, but public figures have never needed guilt to remove them from office; credibility, or at least the loss of it, is usually quite sufficient.
Ogilvie’s association with the excesses of the Murray regime at Ibrox – as well as his rush into denial – has rendered him pathetic among the football public. Surely someone at Hampden HQ will advise him of the appropriateness of making a voluntary departure to avoid the embarrassment of an enforced eviction.
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From today's Daily Record
The figures quoted plus the list of EBTs on Mark Daly's report on the BBC web site made me think about how they have used all that money.
Many professional footballers have set up charitable trusts to help others, and to 'give something back'.
Have any Rangers ex players or staff setup anything similar? Must admit I haven't heard of the Barry Ferguson Foundation or The Uncle Walter Trust.
Or even become sponsors/ambassadors to charities? (Other than the Rangers Charity Foundation scam outfit.
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Ok so I think even the most 'pessimistic' of us can agree rangers are 'royally' fecked.. so the attention has to turn again to what can be done to improve scottish fitba and get it to where the majority of scots fitba fans want it..
In an ideal world rangers would be no more but no matter what they will be back in some form down the line so the changes have to be implemented urgently while the old firm strangehold is broken.
The last few shambolic months have shown the spl leadership of doncaster / topping is not fit for purpose and their, I shudder to use the word, 'vision' for the game is at the other end of the spectrum from the fans. This is our game and we have to claim it back.
Aswell as a change of leadership we need now to forevor change the voting system to something resembling democratic. With this changed then radical changes have to be brought in if the scottish game is to have any hope of salvation:
- introduction of bigger top league (ideally 16)
- introduction of exciting playoff format
- democratic sharing of tv revenue
- greater financial transparency and openess throughout the game
- introduction of league pyramaid system
If there is less money in the short term so be it, if the tv companies pull out so be it. Its time to get every club self-sustainable and not reliant on the scraps sky tv through us- on that platform will future financial prosperity be built on.
The spl chairman have to grab this opportunity and tap into the fans demands for radical change, rangers collapse has given the game an opportunity for change that may never arise again - its time to stand up and be counted for the integrity and good of the scottish game over financial short-sightedness.
Go to the section on German football (half way down) http://footballspeak...nable-Game.aspx The article talks about English football but you can read that as Scottish football also - except the SFA has over the years been seriously more ineffective than the FA and cosied up to Rangers in particular and 'billionaires'.
The main points to be taken from this piece and the lessons that can be learned for other countries football to ensure financial sustainability and stability are:
- Be tough with the rules. The DFB Bundesliga rule book is 200 pages long and has highly specific rulings on finance which ensure anyone not adhering to the rules is sufficiently punished. The 50+1 rule is one that would surely work with many British clubs (Newcastle, Sunderland etc) with massively passionate fans.
- Lay trust in Youth Academies. It may initially hamper the quality of the league but if the trust is gradually introduced then only half the team would need to be from the Youth Academy, following the 6+5 rule which despite being unappealing to watch, would be financially suitable as it would reduce the need for expensive imported players. A reduction in ticket prices would be needed to keep fans interested. The top two Leagues in Germany invested 75 million Euros in these youth Academies in 09/10.
- Get a Pro-active Football Association. I'm not into Italian or Spanish football well enough to conclude about the effectiveness of their FA's, but certainly from England's FA perspective, they have many lessons to learn from the DFB in taking a leading role in ensuring the sustainability of football in their country. (SFA please note)
- Limit Outside Influence. The DFB were wise enough to relax the rule making outside investment illegal having seen the desire elsewhere on the continent for investment in football. The fans will always still have a majority in the club whilst welcoming investment but NOT decisions from outside donors.
- Ditch the 'Unfashionable' Idea. The Premier League may currently be the place to be regarding money and perhaps playing, but will it be the same case in ten years? All those involved in the game need to realise that it's not just about the image; the WAG culture that infests the game, the big cars and the mansions, it's about what league will be the most successful over the length of a players career, and it's looking like it could be the Bundesliga.
- Listen and Lay trust in the fans. The fans' are those who take the thick and thin of the club's successes and failures over a prolonged period of time, so why, in Italy, Spain and England are most clubs allowing owners with the only interest at their heart being money, do a dis-service to the loyal supporters of the club by neglecting it if there is no viable business output when they take over? The fans' will always be with a club, the owners won't. It is time to follow the German model, which is not faultless, but has put German football in far better stead than the rest of Europe, and provide best value and a transparency and responsibility for those most passionate about the club, the fans'.
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I think you may have missed my point. What I'm saying is that I believe (and I'm just putting 2 and 2 together - it may make 7 !) that the vast majority of West Coast (and some East Coast) sports journos pretty much knew what was going on at Ibrox but their desire to stay in the loop ensured that no-one broke the omerta. Think about it, someone like Chick Faeces might join Richard Gordon for lunch in the BBC canteen and they chat about this and that......you get the picture.
This is why The RTC Blogger should get the Nobel Prize for Service to Humanity.
He / she has succeeded in bringing down an organisation that The Vatican, the SFA and the Scottish Govt. couldn't touch.(Ooh, rambling now.........)
I think you are reading it right. However to be fair, few of them are bright enough to add the 2 + 2. We have all heard them floundering when terms like CVA, administration, liquidation came along. They had no comprehension whatsoever, but ok they have caught up a bit since February.
Even if they knew about the EBTs they would have been ok about it all as it wouldn't mean much to them. Yes people talk in canteens and pubs. And yes nuggets are exchanged.
But to sniff out dodgy dealings in a business you don't have to see the books. You can smell it in a company. Murray's management style would have been a first warning. And if you are overpaying key staff to do their job this is a standard method used by dodgy business owners to control those staff and ensure they will carry out whatever dodgy transactions are needed. This applied to Rangers from the SFA tribunal evidence but would be interesting to know what the salaries were of those who setup and administered the EBTs at Murray Holdings.
I had no direct involvement with the journos mentioned, but I did know from others there was a smell around Rangers and this was going back about 5 years. But there are other senior clubs in Scotland who should be looking closely at their governance and methods. Some extremely iffy.
But worst of all the SFA knew. Or at least key individuals employed there.
Even if Gordon Smith in his time at the SFA had been formally told what was happening at Rangers, what would have done? We all know the answer to that. But the SFA I think have played this well. The only current nigger in their woodpile is the continuing presence of £95K Ogilvie
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I'm not one of the Jim bashers, however. His column today cast a wee bit of doubt over some of Daly's findings in his BBC programme. As you know Daly questioned Grier/D&P/Ticketus/Whyte and the evidence that suggested D&P knew about the Ticketus deal as Grier was employed by them.
Daly worked for the BBC, Jim works for the Record......and the BBC. Is he asking us to believe he didn't know what Daly was investigating and couldn't have offered his view. He says at the end he wasn't asked. He's not usually shy.
Why on earth would anyone ask Traynor? What could he add to the programme, especially one dealing in detailed facts?
He doesn't do journalism, he merely rehashes what he is told to write by people like Murray and various'friendly' agents. He will however protest he is 'the man' just like Chic will. Just a right pair of mouthy chancers.
Hopefully when Rangers goes, they both go too.
Time for the Scottish sports media to grow up.
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"The view that the SPL took was that there was sufficient evidence to indicate that the way that Rangers had been paying their players was via a dual method, the payroll and EBTs, so there was a case to answer for," says David Roberts, of the legal firm, Olswang, that represented Bill Miller during his bid for the Ibrox side and held discussions with the SPL. "What Duff & Phelps said to us was that there may be some reticence pushing the investigation forward because a beneficiary of the EBT payments [Campbell Ogilvie] was now on the SFA board, but we saw no evidence of that. My genuine belief was that this was an issue that gave rise to a potential breach of the rules and the SPL were discharging their governing body duties by looking at it. It may also breach the SFA rules as well. It was something being taken very seriously by the authorities."
I noticed that the BBC tried to speak to the people names as benefiting from the EBTs. No one spoke to them, which smacks of it being a concerted plan.
Essential to break the wall of silence and Ogilvie is the most vulnerable to go for because of his current position.
SFA board is below:I reckon 5 of these could be convinced.
Stewart M Regan
Chief Executive
Since his arrival in July 2010, Stewart has led the Scottish FA into a period of radical change.
This culminated in an historical Annual General Meeting in June 2011 at which the members unanimously approved a series of changes, including the abolition of the committee structure, investment in a Performance Strategy and the creation of the Professional and Non Professional Game Boards.
Scotland United: A 2020 Vision also maps out the Scottish FA's strategic objections in line with the McLeish Review of Scottish Football.
Campbell Ogilvie
President
Campbell became President of the Scottish FA after more than 40 years' experience in top-flight Scottish football administration.
He joined the Scottish Football League in May 1970 as assistant secretary, responsible for the administration and implementation of regulations. He was the main liaison with the 38 member clubs and took charge of the appointment of match officials, player registrations and league fixtures.
Alan McRae
First vice-president
Alan was renowned as a gritty and tenacious player when he joined Cove Rangers in 1979. Within five years he had become chairman, leading the Aberdeenshire club from the amateurs, to the ranks of the juniors and eventually to the Highland League.
Alan is respected and well-liked within the game and counts Sir Alex Ferguson and Rod Stewart as close friends.
Rod Petrie
Second vice-president
Rod Petrie is Chairman of Hibernian Football Club. He was appointed to the board in 1996, became full-time Managing Director in 1997 and Chairman in 2004.
Before becoming an executive director of the Hibernian Football Club, Rod Petrie spent six and a half years as an executive director of Quayle Munro, the listed Edinburgh based Investment Bank and 13 years with Ernst & Young, from trainee to audit partner.
Barrie Jackson
Independent Non Executive Director
Barrie, 56, from Edinburgh, is the Scottish FA's first ever Independent Non Executive Director. He has spent most of his career in the brewing and distilling industries, accumulating vast international experience working in many of the world's major markets.
Barrie has also enjoyed a successful period as Chairman of Amsterdam based Maxxium Worldwide NV. He retired from the drinks business in 2010 to broaden his interests and is currently a Non-Executive Director of Tullis Russell Group, a Non-Executive Advisor to the CEO of ACCA in London and a Trustee of the Russell Trust.
Ralph Topping
SPL chairman
Ralph Topping is Chief Executive of William Hill PLC, the UK's leading betting and gaming company. He is responsible for the Group's overall strategic direction and day-to-day management. Ralph joined William Hill in 1973 and has previously held various roles within the Group, including Group Director, Operations, responsible for all UK-based operations.
Since becoming Chief Executive, Ralph has overseen the transformation of William Hill's online business, making it one of the largest in Europe, and the development of its innovative mobile platform.
Tom Johnston
Junior FA President
Tom became Secretary of the Central Region of the SJFA in 1985 until I was approached to join the association as Assistant Secretary in 1991. After eight years in that role, he was appointed secretary in 1999. During that spell, Tom has represented the SJF on various Scottish FA committees including the Executive Committee, the Board and the new Non Professional Game Board.
Tom's first involvement in Junior football came as a player, when he joined Saltcoats Vice in 1966. He played for North Kelvinside Senior Secondary and was approached by his then Geography teacher, Davie Lambie – who later became MP for North Ayrshire – to join Saltcoats Vice. Tom moved from there to Neilston Juniors in 1969 and in his association with the club served as player, coach, manager and secretary until 1985, after which he enjoyed a two-year spell with Giffnock North.
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Anyone wanting to play a role in developing a campaign to influence better decisions about Rangers and a more honest future for Scottish football e mail at honestyinsport@gmail.com
I will give you a link to a password protected page where we can discuss how best to move ahead.
All in confidence. Once we develop an outline plan we can then present to P&B members for suggestions and approval.
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I guess just any 11 fan organisations would do. Trusts came to mind because they tend to be concerned more with ownership and finances. Interestingly I'm sure Dingwall mentioned the number of members they had in one interview and it was fairly low. Not that I'm questioning the rigour of our media but I think they just care if you say you're representative not that you actually are.
The whole point of my lengthy post was to have a body that did not represent any ONE club. But also included people way beyond those who would choose to be involved in a supporters club or trust.
By all means supporters clubs/trusts can work alongside what we choose to do, but give them the choice each time.
So yes, we can tap into them individually or collectively.
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Sorry but this is a long post.
Born of frustrations with how Scottish football is run from long before Rangers went into administration, but made worse, much worse, from 14th February onwards. This frustration is due to the punters (of which I am one) being treated with contempt and taken for granted by those who manage the messages we get, on the back of succulent lamb or otherwise.
On P&B we say what we want, but we have no teeth as a group.
The BBC programme last night was significant in the continuing Rangers saga. Hard evidence produced (which would have been doubly approved by BBC lawyers) with more to come. I know some on here were disappointed, but this programme was after all for the average viewer who has little knowledge of the saga to date, unlike most P&B members. But none the less it was totally damning.
P&B members on this forum I see as a diverse group of football supporters, some supporting particular clubs, many not. I think the P&B discussions have managed to push and support certain topics which many in the football world would like to have seen go way. But it is too late now for them to try to brush it under the carpet. At P&B we have been dependent on therangerstaxcase.com and Paul McConville’s blogs for detailed and insightful analysis, and Alex Thompson despite his struggles at times is a substantial voice for all of us, as he can take the right questions to those in positions of power and authority.
The question is what do we do about it? What do we want to do?
We can talk amongst ourselves, be outraged, get exciting about progress, become frustrated, feel cheated and irritated at being treated as inconsequential idiots by authorities and media pundits alike (even those who don’t have an EBT account in their back pocket). But what can we do?
My thoughts, and these are my thoughts only are:
1. Create our own voice
We need an organised voice. We can achieve this by having a small group of members (a committee by any other name) here who are prepared to collate views, agree them with members and then work to create the change we want. Then deliver this message through carefully chosen spokesmen (see item 2) and other methods. This is not about grinding personal axes but giving a voice to a substantial and important group who are not currently getting a hearing.
2. Communicate what we want
It is then essential to take those wishes to the key decision makers or players in the Rangers story.
The best people for this would be a couple of our elected representatives. I would suggest one MSP and one MP. One based in Edinburgh one in London. I have my thoughts on who would be interested and would fit the bill. The method would be to decide exactly what we would want them to do, topic by topic. Often a letter from an MP can make things happen that would take us months. I am sure we could also line up a PR company to ensure press coverage of our aims and the changes we want to see. (free of charge).<br style="mso-special-character: line-break">
At the minute we are driven by people like Doncaster, Paul Murray, the administrators as they each have the voice and the contacts in the media, which they use to influence public opinion, sometimes with the truth, sometimes with half truths, other times quite misleading. We need the same access to allow us to communicate with authorities, supporters and the public.
3. What changes do we want?
This is the best time to let our wishes be known. Significant change will be happening regardless over the next month or so in particular. Duff & Duffer being challenged through the media or the courts, creditors being asked to make decisions, SFA having to address the growing list of things to deal with about Rangers, the SPL chairmen voting about in or out, UEFA will have an interest, and the wider supporter population wanting something better for Scottish football. We can wait to see what others decide, or we publicly get what we want on the table first.
The ‘projects’ I (repeat I) would like to see as the initial targets are:
1. Campbell Ogilvie is a part of the EBT mess from his time at Rangers, which I believe creates a conflict of interest in his current position as President of the SFA. He can be in his office while next door a group are discussing what to do about double contracts, Rangers paying HMRC, how EBTs were used. People in such meetings must think ‘will I pop in next door and ask Campbell?’
He should go on gardening leave while the SFA obtains the evidence they need and creates the vehicles within the SFA to make the proper decisions. Putting him on full pay is no problem, but he must not be operating in his office at this critical stage.
He should also pay the tax on his EBT as if it had been treated as salary.
2. SPL chairmen
We must tell them what decision we want which will penalise Rangers for their behaviour to date and will warn other clubs of the consequences of trying anything similar in the future.
And no kicking into the long grass requests for information from Duff & Duffer which just allows the SPL to stall any decision.
3. The SFA need to be supported and encouraged to make hard decisions. They have done this extremely well to date (to my surprise) but this must continue.
4. HMRC must be encouraged to take a lead in dealing with the current administrators and ensure that the Rangers administration or liquidation is used to maximize return to the honest taxpayers, but also to obtain the detailed evidence required to subsequently deal properly with any wrongdoing.
5. The Police. Encourage them to move in to take a positive role in creating a better form of governance of football clubs in Scotland with the powers they have from company law by flushing out and penalising those who have abused their positions of trust.
There are potentially many more, these are mine, but ideally we can agree projects and hoped for outcomes democratically.
We don’t have many chances like this to make a positive difference. To create a better and more honest future led from the grassroots. With easy access to e mail, using web sites, blogs, online petitions and group marketing all the tools are available to us at no cost.
We have the option of being on the side-lines while others decide what is best for us, what we are allowed to do and say or how to behave. We can approve or otherwise but organisations can force their wishes on individuals. Or we can take this opportunity to take the initiative as a group, create our own voice and make sure we help make something better than we would otherwise.
Would appreciate all thoughts and comments on whether this could be a way ahead - or not.
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Chris, I saw your letter to Mrs Robinson. please see my post today at 18:40 (forum time) do you fancy drafting a letter as per my post? Drew.
If you write again, get her name right - Shona Robison
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/msp/shona_robison
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/msps/currentmsps/28451.aspx
maybe speak to her husband as well http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/stewart_hosie/dundee_east
Keen on his football!
5. Gifts, benefits and hospitality (UK)
- Name of donor: Dundee United Football clubAddress of donor: Tannadice Park, Tannadice Street, Dundee DD3 7JW
- Amount of donation or nature and value if donation in kind: Hospitality package for the season, valued at over £2,050 (June 2011-June 2012)
- Date of receipt of donation: June 2011
- Date of acceptance of donation: June 2011
- Donor status: company, registration number
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The BBC aren't the judge and jury - they simply presented some evidence. They tarted some of it up with cringeworthy presentation techniques though, but still - it's one domino...once it hits the next domino...you know how it goes.
Who do the 'missing' EBTs belong to?
If McLeish had one I am astounded Uncle Walter doesn't, or Ally.
If Souness had one to flush £30k into at an appropriate time, what are the chances of some favoured and well known football agents having been invited to join the party?
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I have paid money into the fund like thousands of others..I bought a Red and Black scarf..Bought the Wee Flags etc but i stopped after they seriously considered using some of the money to turn a piece of waste land near the ground into a nice wee garden and they were going to plant Orange Lillies..
I would just grass it.
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The prize for most ludicrous piece of tripe of the day has to go (again) to the Daily Record.
Instead of focusing all their efforts solely on the the issues and fallout surrounding the BBC prog., they chose to publish an article:
"Rangers are going through hell but top stars still want to sign for us, says chief scout John Brown"
http://www.dailyreco...86908-23871165/
INCREDIBLE journalism on so many levels. I think the only worthy comment is:
Just hope John Brown is disclosure checked, having to spend the next year lurking around public parks and school playgrounds.
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SPL statement
An SPL spokesperson said: "The investigation into the EBT payments made by Rangers FC is being actively pursued on behalf of the SPL.
"All relevant documents, materials and information have been sought from Rangers FC and we look forward to receiving full cooperation from the club and its administrators in providing everything that it and they have access to and which is required for the investigation to be completed."
"everything that it and they have access to" is different to demanding complete information.
What do they NOT have access to? How long will the SPL give them to provide all relevant documents, materials and information?
How can the SPL clubs make ANY decision about Rangers until they have full information made available to them?
I hope the SPL is not being lethargic about chasing this information as it may suit them to not know the full story, yet.
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True, but in this instance there stance is crystal clear:
If they're kept out of the league they'll boycot, but if they're allowed in they won't.
Well if they aren't the league, they just won't be there. Call it a boycott if you want, but they aren't invited to the party.
If they are allowed in, they will boycott the ones they hate most.
Whatever way, being twisted and perverted helps them in their decision making.
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He / she has succeeded in bringing down an organisation that The Vatican, the SFA and the Scottish Govt. couldn't touch.
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Posted · Edited by thelegendthatis
Bit of background info for Dundee players if they don't get into the SPL.
Green might want to add a wadge to his consortium pot to pay off the Dundee players so they go away quietly, just like West Ham did.