Ann Dan Otherthing

Not lazy - he was born in Portugal, played for Benfica, moved to England when 11 years old, played for England's 16s, 17s & 18s, before picking up 4 Portugal 21s caps this year. I think that again makes him Portuguese, but could be wrong.

Apparently Stowe isn’t even the current top scorer!

I’m with you - utter shite after great Get Out and passable Us. 2/10, but only to keep it above Lady in the Van, which saw us walk out. Even with Cineworld Unlimited, we were very tempted today!

You’re right, I haven’t watched the vid. Your 2 options therefore needed a 3rd - the ref considered it was DOGSO, but that the challenge was genuine and so yellow carded. Albeit if it it was a push, that would probably be wrong!

The partial removal of ‘double jeopardy’ completely changed things, so you are wrong. Inside the box, a penalty is given and if it was a genuine attempt to play the ball, then it’s only a yellow, even if it was DOGSO. Only if it was not a genuine attempt to play the ball is it still a DOGSO red. So for instance push, pull etc.. Any DOGSO where a penalty doesn’t result (so foul outside the box) is still a red, regardless of whether a genuine attempt or not.

They didn’t compress the fans into a ridiculously small space - we got there just after 6:30 (2:30 before KO) - after the problems had started where the LFC main crowd were. As Liverpool fans, we were supposed to use the local railway to get there, while Madrid fans were to use the Metro. We were VERY lucky we took the non suggested route, we strolled into the concourse and were through the gates quickly, with no issues encountered and blissfully unaware of what was going on elsewhere. Only once kick off neared and we couldn’t understand why there were so few in the Liverpool end and then heard social media reports. While there probably were fake paper tickets, I doubt that caused the problems - it’s pretty clear from their setup that the police were spoiling for a confrontation with the English. Fortunately the LFC fans didn’t respond to their treatment.

Ray Kennedy was a good forward with Arsenal (158 appearances, 53 goals) before moving to Liverpool and becoming a key midfielder in their dominant late 70s / early 80s team that won 5 League Championships, 2 (where he played all 90 mins) European Cups, etc.

Totally agree! If he was onside 3 frames prior then clearly the lino should have clocked that! At 60fps that’s a whole 20th of a second.

You’re correct if it’s completely accidental - that was changed at the start of this season. However if it’s intentional (it didn’t look like it!) or the arm is in an unnatural position (debatable) the handball is still given.

No - if it’s not a genuine attempt to play the ball, it’s still a red. Despite what McCoist says on the telly, it wasn’t and the ref was correct. And talking about McCoist - both him and the commentator are probably correct re the goal disallowed for handball - it didn’t appear either deliberate or with the arm in an unnatural position. At the start of this season, disallowing a goal because of an accidental handball in the leadup was tweaked to only relate to the scorer. The ref probably got this one wrong.

Totally agree and also kick-ins rather than throw-ins, maybe retreating lines also, ignore foul throws, do away with linesmen entirely, etc etc. Wait - they already do all that! (At soccer 7s)

That’s big of you, considering you think the glove ‘might’ have brushed Diaz’ face and he’s a cheat. Maybe turn down whatever bias you’re applying and perhaps see what commentators, pundits, Walton and everyone else here saw? It was a red every day of the week.

Barely even a foul according to Jimbo above!

Irrelevant! If the ball is in play, anywhere, and a forward is fouled in the opposition penalty area, it’s a penalty. Doesn’t matter where the ball is - it could even be on the goal line at the other end. That doesn’t mean I think it was a foul though and I’m a Liverpool supporter!

If it was corruption, he wouldn’t have sent off the Mali player. Sounds more like incompetence. However that doesn’t explain 3 other officials not questioning the time!

If that’s true, it’s complete BS

Shame the refs don’t get a second look! Wait - they do!! I screamed red card on first view BTW

Don’t be silly!

It has changed - now only comes into play, if goal scored immediately, which wasn’t the case here

You’re presumably including the ‘head knock’ scenario in that criticism? Eddie Howe saying his player was dizzy for 4 minutes - that’s the player who wasn’t subbed! Oldest trick in the book is to go down ‘ref head knock’ when you’re narrowly ahead and the opposition have a promising attacking situation. Yes, I’m surprised he didn’t stop it, but that doesn’t make it wrong!

Only has to stop play if possession changes or a scoring opportunity is created because of his touch. Was it either of those?

Yeah you’re spot on there - that should clearly have been a red card. or... That shot tells us nothing. Oh and my ‘agenda’ - I was there as a neutral. Could be wrong, but it may even have been the first time I’ve seen Dundonald! Quack

Not sure what relevance the sendings off are, especially if both for 2 yellows? Were you at both games and do you have issue with any of the cards? Can’t recall his first on Saturday, but the second certainly looked like a dive. Good luck getting Saturday’s ref banned from Camelon or any games! Can’t recall that previous example you gave and even with an extensive Google (missing out his first name, which may be wrong?) found nowt. Not sure what photo you’re refereeing to, so a screenshot may be interesting. However the discussions re the onside or offside goal show that angles and distance can lead to inconclusivity.

Out of interest, what would Camelon be complaining to the SFA about? The first or second yellows for Jay, or the non offside for the much discussed goal, or just because the ref’s a skinny ginger? ETA AFAIK you can’t appeal a yellow?!

Thanks for the link!