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The difference is a lot of the teams you refer to were formed when football was still an emerging sport, or had yet to reach its attendance heyday in the 60s and 70s.Every club that has ever formed has had to start somewhere most in the past were amateur guys getting together and over the years they grew into the teams they are now it's now in present times most new teams forming are generally boys club's or like the past are amateur clubs so it's nothing new.
Nowadays Celtic and Rangers have corralled probably at least 80% of the football-supporting population with the others clubs making up the other 20%.
There aren't any unattached fans left. Even fans of WOSFL clubs probably have a 'big' team who they support. Clubs which are forming senior teams for the first time (e.g Bonnyton, St Cadocs etc) not only have to compete with the big clubs, but also existing WOSFL clubs, very often in towns or localities which already have a team at this level.
Bonnyton for example are probably reliant on Kilmarnock or Hurlford fans to pay a visit, but they'll never have a fanbase of their own.
I suppose it makes sense in a way for them to reap the benefits of their youth system but I'm not entirely sure where these clubs think they are going to end up.
And another question I suppose would be - are these senior clubs subsidised heavily by the parents of the kids on the youth system via subs?4 -
I think we overestimate sometimes at this level just how little we feature in the overall scheme of things in Scottish football. Tier 6 and below is a relative footnote in most people's knowledge of the league structure.
I was talking to a Hurlford supporter a couple of weeks ago (pre-Darvel v Tranent) who didn't even know that the champions of the West had a play off against the East & South and the winners would enter the Lowland League. I don't know if that is a common lack of knowledge; if so then the whole debate over promotion/relegation at Tiers 5 and below is essentially just reduced to Club Chairmen and P&B posters and change will be a long time coming.0 -
Did the plan to pay out up to 80k have any detail on how the 80k will be generated?
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The bottle neck with the Lowland League has to go. But no solution to that involves the SJFA. The whole pyramid needs reformed to be fair, but resistance from the Old Firm over a 16 team league would stop it at the top and Lowland League’s superiority complex stops it in the middle.
For the SJFA, surely overtime and once the current tier 6 west league is diluted from ex junior clubs with Drumchapel and St Caodcs coming up and Lowland League clubs coming down then the time for Saturday’s to be put aside for the SJFA has to end?
It's the same people in positions of power within the WOS League clubs as was within the Juniors though. Even our fixtures secretary carried out the same role in the Juniors, and if I recall correctly wasn't in favour of leaving the juniors initially. And the most successful club at this level didn't even want to move over in the first place. The SJC will still be given Saturday slots mid-season (probably more now that the premier league season has been reduced). Everyone else will just need to work round it.1 -
Does anyone know how this plan was received at the time by those in attendance?
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No, not at all. It was just really poking fun at Glencairn and others re-entering a cup competition straight after the organisers paid out £17k to the finalists, but the decision not being motivated by money, it wasn't a serious comment. I have no idea what the reasons were but good luck to them and anytime else in the cup next year.The hint of being in the know but limited information. Was that not what you were getting at?0 -
What is?Same every time.
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Come on man!Not in this case.0 -
Where is the money coming from? Does this year's payments to Talbot and Yoker include the prize money which was supposed to have been paid last season?
The WOSFL Twitter account posting about it being a nice lift for the clubs involved was completely tinpot.1 -
I was glad to hear the manager say we had signed a few players for next season. Gormley always seemed to be a popular player so hopefully he can make a difference when players are deciding where to go next season.
The squad was so thin yesterday but the players who turned up did well, battled hard and played some nice football at times. We missed Thomas Collins and were a makeshift team so losing was disappointing but not the end of the world. We have been asset-stripped throughout the season and haven't seemed to sign anyone else for reasons which have never really been made clear. Hopefully next season is a lot more stable.0 -
Clubs should be free to enter the junior cup for as long as they like.Well for a start all the teams moved away from the juniors they should all pull out the junior scottish cup. For me keep the west and the challenge cup. The rest can go tbh
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The WOSFL shouldn't have anything to do with accomodating it into the fixture lists though.
You want it - fit it in yourselves on a Monday night when it doesn't clash with a league or other cup fixture.
Live tweeting the final while being silent on the WOS League cup semi final played at the same time was appalling, and giving SJC fixtures prime time Saturday slots in the middle of a 38-game season wasn't much better.5 -
500-odd.How was the crowd?0 -
That may or may not be true (I suspect it wouldn't be) but at least then the price would rise with the quality on show.Unfortunately this is what people voted for this is a senior cup final not the juniors.if Clydebank ever do reach league 2 you will be paying in the region of £20 to watch them.
On Saturday we have two clubs who have charged £6 and £7 for entry all season yet the price has been raised for this one match only. It might be a final but it's not a good look.0 -
Why have they increased the entry fee for this match compared to previous rounds? Is this agreed by the clubs?
I remember in the days of £5 entry they used to increase the junior semi price to £7 which was a bit of a money grab and this strikes me as the same.
Does the host club get a fee for use of their stadium?1 -
Do you feel it was devalued a bit this year?Anything involving member clubs is relevant to member clubs and supporters. I get why a few are raging but the junior cup is still clearly a big deal to a lot of folk and obviously pretending it isn’t, isn’t working out so whatever this is, appears the alternative.
Having been to both cups, the south and junior are in completely different levels. The junior cup is like festival, a big event, has been for over a hundred years. In my own opinion, they should just sit down with each other and thrash something out to work together on one cup. One side has for example a great established cup and the other has more member clubs. Plus many other positives on each side.
Could potentially have the best non league cup comp in Europe.
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It's not depression I have, it's a death wish. Another 14gram this weekend and I'm lay in bed crying my fucking eyes out. I'm physically and mentally done with this shit. I don't have the fortitude to do it but I'm obviously trying my fucking hardest out with.Thats my issue bro, powder
At least you guys admit that you have a problem - it's an important first step and you deserve credit for opening up about it, even if it's anonymously on this forum.
I don't know if your issues are because of the drugs or that they are just one of the symptoms. Either way, they clearly aren't helping. This thread is a safe haven - we are all supportive and some decent advice is given out on a regular basis. I don't have any personal experience with drug misuse unfortunately (or fortunately), but I've met enough addicts during the course of my career to know that there is plenty of help out there. And I don't just mean from the NHS - I mean from people who have been in your position, or are in your position who can help. Hopefully someone on here has a bit of experience with this kind of thing and can offer some words of wisdom or signpost you to somewhere helpful.
But please post if you are struggling, it helps to talk, even to strangers on the internet. I'm sorry you're going through a really hard time and I hope it gets better for you soon.8 -
Never got to go to many I'm afraid, but most of the ones I went to were pretty dull unfortunately. Maybe Kilwinning 3-3 Glenafton for entertainment. Or Kilwinning 2-0 Kilbirnie as it was the first game under the lights and the atmosphere was great.
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Were Tranent not one of the first Junior clubs to apply for EOS membership along with Dalkeith?Think there's not much doubt Darvel wanted it so it's more Auchinleck Talbot that people are skeptical about on actually wanting to progress. Clydebank and Kilwinning are also clearly gung ho so you could argue most of the WoS's top 5 have their focus fixed on trying to make it to the SPFL now rather than chasing TJ's Holy Grail. Pollok seem to have soured on the SJFA this season after what happened with the Irvine Vics game.
I don't remember what unfolded with Tranent but worth bearing in mind that although the people who post on here (including Tynieness at the time) tended to be in favour, Bo'ness United's membership initially rejected the move to the EoS at a general meeting and the committee (minus Tynieness by that point) only did a U-turn at the very last minute along with Linlithgow Rose and Broxburn's (?) when they realised they were going to be left in a drastically weakened east superleague.
Two years later a licence was secured along with promotion to the LL so that initial reluctance didn't seem to lead to a desire to stick to the EoS premier. Even Bonnyrigg Rose leaving the east region was not without significant controversy AFAIR.0 -
All this is true but because it happened in the past doesn't mean it was right then and should continue.
I have said this before but it has needed changed for years but because it was Talbot affected all the time nobody gave a f**k but on the odd year it was their team it was a scandal.
I was hoping the new set up would resolve this but it has been worse
It wasn't just Talbot affected. Other clubs had to wait weeks without a match just for Talbot to catch up and play on a Monday night with nothing at stake. At least you had leagues and Scottish cups to ease the pain of 3-game weeks.
A 20 team season could have easily been accomodated if they had delayed the WOS League Cup for a season and told all the teams involved in the Junior cup that if they wanted to take part in another association's competition then they could fit it in when they could, instead of giving them prime time Saturday slots mid-season.3 -
Has David Gormley taken charge yet?
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Great stats. Can't say we don't get great value for money at this level with an average of over 3 goals per match.
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I don't know the full ins and outs of what went on with McGowan, Syme and Monti over the course of the last 6 months, but McGowan has a platform to set the record straight if he chooses to do so. I think the fact that he hasn't offered an explanation to the contrary speaks volumes.
The pile on by the rest of the Darvel players doesn't really show them in a good light. Mick Kennedy has conducted some very good interviews recently and comes across professionally but unfortunately the rest of them are acting like a gang at the moment.1 -
Just read on another thread there that Liverpool will have played the maximum possible number of games this season, 38 league, 13 CL, 6 FA Cup and 6 League cup making 63 matches in total.
Talbot will play their 57th in the Junior Cup final. Ridiculous to put working men through that. Roll on next season with a 16 team league.
Involvement in the Junior cup was optional of course [emoji12]1 -
Was there an attempt to change the rules regarding that recently? So if a B Team won the league, the next highest non B team couldn't qualify for the play off? I'm sure there was some attempt which was (as always) an effort to encourage promotion for the B teams.A Guest team can never win the Lowland League. Just finish 1st. The Championship and the place in the SPFL2 Playoff would go to the highest real LL team even if they finished 3rd/4th in the table.
The expectation is that if it happened it could be challenged by Club 42.0
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