Jump to content

Quitongo's Left Peg

Gold Members
 View Profile  See their activity

  • Posts

    4,465

  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won

    3

 Content Type 

Posts posted by Quitongo's Left Peg

    Let's All Laugh At Celtic Thread

    in Scottish Premiership General Chatter

    Posted

    Truth, It meant less than nothing. We've bagged titles and a cup since then. It's got boring but always good to humilate the humilated so giruy.

    Someone should have told your manager, your fans and the players that their treble hopes being dashed meant nothing. It seemed to pretty upset them at the time.

    And in all honesty, with the disparity in finance you should be winning the treble every year. You don't because your club is a failure. HTH,

    Hail hail.

    0

    Let's All Laugh At Celtic Thread

    in Scottish Premiership General Chatter

    Posted

    In the scheme of things cups in Scotland are as important to us as a trip to London is to the Queen. It means and meant nothing. We've clinched titles at Kilmarnock and watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.....they're all lost....like tears in the rain

    "Meant nothing" :lol:

    Right you are...

    And you can fųck off, as well, if you're going to make that kind of accusation.

    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    It was a joke WRK. Settle yourself down to a mild riot auld yin.

    0

    Let's All Laugh At Celtic Thread

    in Scottish Premiership General Chatter

    Posted

    The pain of defeat results in creating a thread to laugh at a team who nearly always win. What a pain filled World you inhabit. You live in the potholes of grime and misery.

    Is it Darvel you stay in?

    I don't know. You'll have to ask the guy that started the thread, m9.

    As for myself, I do enjoy a wee laugh when the richest club in the country with a huge fanbase stutters. Kilmarnock and Celtic have had one truly meaningful game in the last decade and Killie won it, so "the pain of defeat"? No quite buddy.

    0

    Let's All Laugh At Celtic Thread

    in Scottish Premiership General Chatter

    Posted

    You previously posted about sitting in the away end with the Celtic fans at rugby park and about how great the atmosphere was... Ktid......

    Jesus Christ

    QLP, I'm not sure your argument about increased costs with larger visiting crowds, while self-evident, holds any water in this instance unless we know figures for specific incremental costs incurred. Of course, as you put it, there will be more cost in containing 4000 Celtic supporters than there would be doing the same role for 500 Accies supporters - but there's still the 8 fold increase in revenue there, notwithstanding money taken over the counter at the tea bars.

    It might very well be that we have to put a couple of quid on to the ticket prices to maintain our margins, but I doubt it. It strikes me as more realistic that we're simply trying to maximise our earning potential on the one or two busiest days of the season - which is fine despite all the mewling. The market finds a price at the end of the day.

    Having spoken with the club earlier in the week for the podcast, I'm led to believe that the cost of policing is so high that the club wouldn't be making very much more from a Celtic game than say Hamilton if it was a flat £20. The charge from Police Scotland has went up this season too, and I wouldn't be blown away if we see more than a few Scottish clubs starting to get miffed publicly with the current arrangement.

    As for the tea bars, that would be all fine and dandy if we didn't hawk the contract out to Brownings, losing all profits in the process.

    0

    Let's All Laugh At Celtic Thread

    in Scottish Premiership General Chatter

    Posted

    Bloody hell thats a hell of a lot of complex detailed info you have there QLP, did you get it from Tamara? ;)

    While I take on board the point about extra police etc the fact is Killie already sell a good few thousand extra tickets for this fixture making a decent swedge from the visiting fans, its a bit rich to then bung on an extra fiver a ticket and say its to cover additional costs. I mean say maximum 30 extra police for this fixture for say 4 hours work...if Killie are charging an extra fiver times say 4000 tickets..... are you seriously trying to tell me the club have to fork out £20,000 for a few hours of police and Stewards while we all know the latter get payed about £6 an hour...the numbers and sums dont add up, the club are basicaly trying to fleece a few grand extra from the fixture.

    And your point is? Are you saying that clubs should make a similar amount from 500 Accies fans in comparison to say 4000 Celtic fans? If thousands of supporters from any club travel to an away game, the home club is entitled to make money from it. The ticket prices are in place, and nobody is forcing Celtic fans to come along and pay it. Every club in Scotland will more money when Rangers and Celtic come to town, and that's the way it should be. Only an Old Firm fan would say that smaller clubs should lose money they deserve because the away fans can't be trusted to behave. And before a Celtic fan comes across and says "you need oor money to survive" - we don't. If you suddenly vanished then we'd adapt and evolve.

    A moot point around this issue though... why should Kilmarnock or any football club have to pay for coppers to be at train stations or car parks, in the street etc?? Is that not what individuals and clubs themselves pay taxes for. Do the Orange Order pay for the police to supervise their parades in the summer? Do political parties pay for them to attend rallies in city centres?

    I agree with that.

    On your final point, I've been to probably over 20 fixtures at Rugby Park and while I've seen the odd bit of litter being dropped (cans, bottles, food wrappers etc) on the walk to and from the ground I've never once seen peoples gardens being used as toilets, cars being scratched, windows being smashed etc. I suspect you are dropping this in and as its one of the Old Firm people will happily believe it, there are a few nuggets in our away support but ive never once seen peoples gardens, cars, homes being vandalised in the manner you implicate at Rugby Park or anywhere else

    I think I'll stick to what I've seen as a resident in the area over what one guy saw during a seven minute walk to and from a bus. I've mentioned before some of the things that Celtic and Rangers fans get up to in the area before and after games, and I'm sure people that live around Firhill e.g. would attest to the same thing if any of them could afford a working internet connection.

    Excluding Pittodrie and Tynecastle where both clubs as is there right have cut our allocation to get more home fans in we still sell most/all our away allocation.

    The Dundee clubs, Motherwell, St Johnstone, Partick etc etc all have pretty much a full away Celtic support at these grounds, Kilmarnock dont and the numbers are getting less and less every game there, I go to about 75% of away games and have noticed this, our bus always has at least ten spare tickets every game there which often I have to flog outside the ground so our supporters club arent £200+ out of pocket, we take betwern 30 & 40 tickets each away game except Hearts and Aberdeen for obvious reasons but always struggle to shift the Rugby Park tickets, nowhere else is this an issue

    Celtic fans organised a boycott because we abstained from the Rangers vote and then filled two stands on their next visit. Most of the games between the two sides at Rugby Park lately have been midweek, which tends to lower a crowd anyway.

    0

    Let's All Laugh At Celtic Thread

    in Scottish Premiership General Chatter

    Posted

    On the specific Kilmarnock issue I think Killie's statement earlier this week that they are going to cut prices for away fans EXCEPT Celtic is at best naive and at worst exploitive, they are basically saying we are going to milk you guys for a few extra quid because you have a large away support, the Celtic support at Rugby Park has fallen a fair bit the last two or three years while it hasnt at other away grounds so clearly some people refuse now to go here, from what I gather it surrounds ticket prices and this announcement will clearly impact this more and end up costing Killie more than the extra fiver or so per Celtic ticket sold, I know theres been a couple of incidents of seats being broken a couple of times earlier in the decade and arseholes that do that are not wanted following my club but the club will clearly have reimbursed Killie for the repair work so thats not really an issue on that matter.

    I personally enjoy going to Killie, its a decent trip and facilities are good, apart from our buses parking a fucking mile away I've never had any problems with it as an away day, I wont personally boycott it, whether I attend the next fixture here will depend on circumstances at the time (work/money etc) but I think many more will cross this fixture off their list now, I can see their reasons why but I do feel if our club improved the matchday experience at CP we would have a stronger position when taking clubs to task on issues like this

    1 - I actually think that wont be the case in this specific instance, from filling or almost filling two stands as recently as five or so years ago we only had about 3/4 of the one stand filled when I was at the 2-2 draw in August. Whether you like or hate Celtic or agree or disagree with peoples stance on it fact is a lot of guys are refusing to go to Rugby Park and this will I think be even more evident next visit.

    2 - While in an ideal world the arseholes responsible for any past damage would fork up for their fuckwittery the fact is Celtic reimburse Killie and other club for damage caused by clowns in the away support, so saying Killie need this extra charge to pay for repairs is, as you fine well know a load of pish????????

    What Celtic fans, including yourself, are missing is that when your club comes to town the cost of policing the game goes up substantially.

    For matches involving Celtic (and Rangers FWIW), Kilmarnock (and any other club) needs to pay for the police to cover: within the stadium itself; the turnstiles; the area immediately around the stadium; the streets surrounding the locus; local transport hubs i.e. train and bus stations. Given the size of crowds and their reputation for trouble, that can't be done with six or seven officers.

    If we look at the 2-2 game earlier in the season, Killie had to pay for police officers from Glasgow to bolster the local force. When every one of these officers has a set cost attached to them, which the club must cover, you can start to understand why ticket costs have to be increased. To put it into context, Kilmarnock have had games this season when we've needed no police officers to attend.

    Then we need to look at stewards. Each club has a contract with stewarding companies, and will specify in the build up to any game how many bodies they need. For an average league game, lets say against St Johnstone e.g. the breakdown is something like this...

    • Three stewards at East Stand turnstiles. Three stewards at Frank Beattie stand turnstiles (home). Three stewards at Frank Beattie/Moffat Stand turnstiles (away).
    • Two stewards per stand in prior to kick-off.
    • Two stewards to police players/'VIP' entrances.

    So, that's about 15-17 stewards on any given Saturday. When Celtic come to town, that figure is per stand housing Celtic fans.

    This screenshot from the YouTube full-match coverage

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSGTTFjNfyc

    shows four police officers and four stewards policing two stairwells.

    post-37086-0-15865400-1444922943_thumb.p

    If Celtic fans had a history of behaving impeccably then this wouldn't be necessary. Alas, having spent my childhood living on Scott Road, and having a mum who still stays there to this day, I can assure you that the policing is often still not enough. You mention the buses being parked "a fucking mile away", so can I ask why your support feels the need to pish in gardens, smash bottles or leave empty ones in gardens, break car windows, key cars etc during your 0.4 mile (7 minute) walk to your bus?

    Like a kid who wants pocket money but has been a wee arsehole lately - prove you can be trusted and then we can help you out. Until then, shut your fucking mouth about "Bhoycotts" or clubs "taking liberties" and worry more about you and your supporter's behaviour. There is after all, a reason why even a lot of season ticket holders don't attend games against you lot.

    0

    Let's All Laugh At Celtic Thread

    in Scottish Premiership General Chatter

    Posted

    Presumably most Celtic supporters don't have to 'scramble about' to find Irish links in their family. I don't - when your grandmother is Irish and your grandfather was descended from Irish immigrants it's not really difficult. The other side of my family is Scottish and so am I, but I'm a bit suspicious of people who want to make Scotland completely homogeneous and unflinchingly-patriotic.

    After the 0-0 Hearts game I was drinking with a group of about 15 Celtic supporters who had come over from Kilkenny to watch the thrilling game, and I don't think they scrambled about to find an Irish identity either. Nor do the groups who fly the Dublin CSC and Belfast CSC flags (and flegs) at my end of the ground.

    My da' is German. Do I win?

    0

    Let's All Laugh At Celtic Thread

    in Scottish Premiership General Chatter

    Posted

    what the f*ck has it got to do with you who they wish well?

    If it was any other nation apart from Ireland then nobody would have gave a shit. Its just anti irish racism.

    And if Ireland weren't in Scotland's group, and our direct rivals for qualification, then nobody would have cared either.

    Something that very much exists in this bigoted little country.

    Mate, you're completely right.

    Honestly, all I want is to be able to go into my town centre, put a bet on the Irish lottery with a bookmaker from Dublin, before going for a Guiness in a drinking establishment that's theme is Ireland before going home to watch some GAA in peace. But can I just do those simple things? Fat chance in this bigoted little country.

    0

    Let's All Laugh At Celtic Thread

    in Scottish Premiership General Chatter

    Posted

    Can you send me a link?

    If the Celtic fans have calmed down from the last time (when you booed Biton for being in support of his national army) then I'm pretty surprised, in a good way.

    I'm guessing he means a generic Facebook post wishing "all our internationals" good luck, which included a picture of him tucked away at the end.

    Certainly no tweet specifically wishing Israel success.

    Anyway, why no support for Northern Ireland Enrico?

    0
×
×
  • Create New...