flyingrodent

Wow, isn't that lucky? Everybody is pure corrupt and biased against you, so their verdiict on your club's rampant criminality doesn't count! How very fortunate. Of course, as we all know, The Rangers fans would *totally* accept punishment if it turned out the SFA and SPL were blameless, right? I mean, if it were proven that the authorities were whiter than white, your fans would put up their hands and say - you got us, we're guilty as sin of cheating and deserve to be punished. We'll take whatever punishments are appropriate. You'd do that, wouldn't you? Admit your guilt and accept your sentence? Surely, your fans wouldn't sniff around for any other conceivable excuse to pretend they're being victimised? They'd just accept it and not, say, sniff around the panel for Celtic sympathies then go apeshit as an excuse to avoid reality, wouldn't they? Right?

Full list of corrupt institutions destroyed by their own fraud thus far: 1) Rangers FC and 2) That's it. I'll put a tenner on that list remaining unchanged for three years, with only one exception - I fully expect The Rangers 2012 to be on it by 2014 at the latest.

By that standard, people still "care" about Gary Glitter but hardly anyone "cares" any more about Mud or The Sweet, and it's got nothing to do with their music. Rampant, disgusting criminality tends to garner more attention than quietly plodding around doing what you've always done.

There's a name for this - it's called the pneumatic drill strategy. So-called, because it's often used by a lot of noisy boring tools.

Tragic H*ns Evading Reality, Admitting Nothing, Greeting at Everything. Rotten Standard of Football Chat. (Apologies for the H-word there. Couldn't think of anything else).

If New Rangers' supporters were genuinely interested in seeing justice done, independently and even-handedly upon those who most deserve it, they'd be too busy protesting outside David Murray's house and consulting lawyers on civil actions against previous regimes to worry about protecting a small fraction of their team's ill-gotten gains. Compare and contrast relative levels of outrage - if you were a Rangers supporter, would you be more angered by the prospect of the men who destroyed your team getting off without punishment, or by the people who you cheated seeking to rectify just some of the wrongs those men committed? You and I would be angrier about the former, but they are more angry about the latter. I think that says everything you need to know about Rangers fans' priorities here - getting it right up everyone else in Scotland first and justice second, if at all, even if it means that there is no Rangers worthy of the name in a few years' time. Also - let's all have a good laugh at the very idea that Charles Green could give a damn whether Rangers keep their fraudulently-obtained titles. Fair dues to Charles Green: He was very open that he and the people he represents were buying Ibrox so that he could make money, and lots of it. So, how does the SPL stripping Rangers of titles prevent him from making money? It doesn't. Fighting this case all the way though, that will cost him money, and lots of it. So here's what's going to happen - Rangers are going to be found guilty and will be stripped of their titles, and then both club and fans will make up some rubbish excuses so that they can pretend that the titles weren't stripped. Rangers fans will then keep up the pretence until everybody forgets about the issue, without caring how ridiculous they look denying it. Sound familiar?

I have this weird feeling, like deja vu. Somehow, I think we'll be back here in six months with a few* fans of New, New Rangers blaming the SFA for their club's woes, because they didn't investigate Charles Green and prevent him from taking over then disappearing with all their money. *Not lots, of course.

Personally, I thought the paranoid accusations of treachery by dark forces aimed at cheating the Rangers were more fun back when they were coming from Craig Whyte. Remember when he was "defending the club" from its "enemies", and those loony supporters groups thought he was just great? They put out statements about it and everything. That was magic, that was. It may be a new club, but you can tell it's got the same old fans - not familiar with the idea of "learning from your mistakes", I see. As Blade says, some motherf*ckers are always tryin' to ice-skate uphill.

BBC reporter asked "a source at Ibrox" whether they were paying Templeton about £7,000 a week, as speculated. Ibrox source responded "-ish". I'd take that as a good indication. Additionally, hark at the New Rangers fans getting on at folk for getting their facts wrong. That's just great.

That tends to happen to sporting entities that explode in a blazing fireball of corruption and disgrace. New Rangers attract attention in the same way that an eighteen-car pile-up attracts attention - it's the screaming and the scattered body parts people are looking at.

There was also massive interest in Robert Maxwell, Asil Nadir, Charlie Sheen and head-shaving, vag-flashing era Britney Spiers, once upon a time. If all you're after is attention, well, you've got that. It's the type of attention you're getting that's relevant, surely, and the kind you're getting is more like the Rose West trial than it is like Beatlemania. I appreciate that some folk can't tell the difference, though.

I'm probably missing something here, but I'm not sure why Charles Green's Rangers think they were ever entitled to any prize money for the Oldco's SPL finishing position. I mean, let's skip right past the question of whether the Newco is entitled to claim moneys owed to the Oldco. One fact that isn't in doubt is that Craig Whyte funded the team by not paying tax. In other words, Rangers gained an advantage by bringing the game into disrepute. No doubt this has been done to death, but that should most certainly mean they forfeit any prize money they gained via intentional mismanagement.

To be fair, I just made a statement and you told me I was "completely wrong". When I asked why you thought I was wrong, you linked me to some huge Rangers website and said "read that". It's not up to me to read your buddies' endless ramblings to find out whether I'm right or wrong, you know, so I'll just conclude that the Rangers fans protested against liquidation and are now celebrating it because they talk b*llocks and aren't smart enough to realise that everyone knows it.

Okay then, do me a minor favour - if you get a moment at some point today, find me an article on that website that addresses the issue of whether it was right or wrong for the Rangers fans to stage a protest against liquidation, since liquidation has been such a massive boon to the club, and leave a link here. It's not that I'm so outrageously busy I can't check, you see. It's more that no football fan alive has the stamina to wade through hundreds of pages on some other fans' website about how some their team is the most awesome ever in the history of the universe, on the off-chance that one of the articles will answer a question somebody is dodging. And of course, you are obviously dodging this question, because you don't want to admit that you don't have any other answer than "You've hit the nail on the head - we are all making it up as we go along".

Really? You can't answer such a simple and straightforward question as "Were the Rangers fans correct to protest against liquidation and if so, why"? That's surprising, and not a little convenient for you, isn't it? It's also a pretty bold answer, given that you responded to my initial post on this by telling me that I was "completely wrong". In what way was I "completely wrong"? So far, you've said that I'm wrong because I'm just, like, wrong, and ill-informed to boot, for reasons that you don't care to divulge. I mean, fair play if you don't fancy discussing it. It just seems a bit odd, to me.

I don't really do invective - not personally directed, at least - although I do have great reserves of ill-informed pish to draw upon. Nonetheless, I'm at work and I don't really have time to plough through a hundred pages of highly charitable Rangers "analysis" to find an answer to what are, I think, some fairly simple questions. Perhaps you could give us a simple summary to save me the trouble? Were the Rangers fans wrong to protest against liquidation? If so, why? Surely, if liquidation has proved to be such a good thing, they should've welcomed it with open arms, rather than organising stadium-wide protests to reject the idea.

Fair enough, but wrong about what? Why were the Rangers supporters so keen to "Show liquidation the red card", if the result of liquidation was that the club would emerge as the same entity it always had been, and would only have to pay the teeniest, tiniest percentage its bajillion-pound debts? You'd think that would be desirable. Why protest, then? Were the fans wrong, or were they entirely correct and are they now enthusiastically pretending otherwise? There could well be a really obvious answer that I'm missing here, but I can't see it just now.

Can't help but wonder why the former Rangers fans were so keen to "show liquidation the red card". I had assumed they were worried that liquidation would mean the end of the club's history and its reemergance as a new entity. Going by their response once the liquidation process began, it looks like they wanted to show the red card to liquidation because it meant they could junk millions in debt and reemerge as the same club, unchanged and as belligerent as ever. When I look at that, I can see two explanations - 1) that RFC fans got it utterly wrong and should have given the thumbs up to liquidation or that 2) RFC fans don't care about reality at all and will slaver whatever made up b*llocks they have to in order to keep the bandwagon of bullshit rolling along. It's a tough call, right enough...

Aye, Rangers are the news - court reporting and crime section. And the idea that any club on Earth is "envious" of Undead Rangers is one of the most hilarious ideas to come out of this whole hysterical episode. Yes, you can just imagine it - two guys watching Banff v MacDuff, and one of them says "Here, I wish our club was internationally notorious as one of the most obscene criminal enterprises in sporting history". "Me too", the other guy says. "How i've always longed to see my team blasted into space dust in an explosion of greed, bad debt and fraud. That would be pure magic".

This is a terrifying threat, mind you, and time is short - we need to keep calm and not panic. After all, they could be right on our doorsteps, baying for our blood, in a minimum of four years. That's assuming that they don't get stuck in the First for a couple of seasons, or spend themselves into oblivion again.

From that thread... "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve" Isoroku Yamamoto -- Japanese Admirals , warning after Pearl Harbor Worth noting that one club in Scotland has for years been acting like a mental kamikaze bomber, risking everything on high risk gambles at landing glorious, knockout blows. Also worth noting that one club in Scotland is currently acting like a mental kamikaze bomber, risking everything on high risk gambles landing one glorious, knockout blows. I'd say that if anybody is the United States in this analogy, it's... Just about every club in Scotland except Zombie Rangers.

Hilarious stuff in the Herald this morning, about the fans' groups' response to the EBT inquiry. Quick excerpt from the supporters groups' statement that's already been posted... Rangers fans' groups call for justice and fairness for all ..."As with other consequences of mismanagement of the club in recent years, if there has been wrongdoing then we would be victims, too... In discussing the stripping of titles, it appears the SPL has assumed guilt when nothing has yet been proved... There would appear to be a conflict of interest in the choice of law firm appointed by the SPL to carry out their investigation... There is concern that any tribunal appointed to rule on this matter will have been seriously prejudiced by the negative media coverage surrounding it... " We believe this (biased inquiry) is being driven by influential members of the SPL board and recently formed "steering committee" with the most to gain. We would question why there appears to be no on-going investigation into the so-called "Juninho EBT" used by Celtic FC. Celtic acknowledged that this was not declared to the football authorities as part of their licence application. If this is the case, then why is a tribunal not being set up to look into this?" "We want justice and fairness for all". Translation and interpretation follows, for those who don't speak fluent Paranoid Idiot - We would be victims, too - Deflection. We would be victims, in the same way that Rose West was Fred's victim too. Assumed guilt when nothing has yet been proved - Deflection Translation - We do not understand taxation and are not interested in learning how to understand taxation. If the Big Tax Case finds us guilty, we will still be innocent because we are the real victims, just like Rose West was. Conflict of interest - Euphemism. Translation - If this law firm isn't part of the globe-strangling octupus of Catholic conspiracism to destroy Rangers FC, then why would they want to investigate us? QED. Seriously prejudiced by the negative media coverage surrounding it Translation - Everybody who has heard of this case knows full-well that we're as guilty as a shame-faced puppy sitting next to a puddle of pish. Thus, they are all biased. Influential members - Euphemism. Refers to - The Prince of Darkness, His Satanic Majesty Peter Lawell. Concealed within his fortress in the east, the lord of Parkhead sees all. His gaze pierces cloud, shadow, earth, and flesh. Directly responsible for the countless misfortunes that have befallen the Buns, along with his craven, fond-of-Catholicism accomplices in the SPL, SFA, the Mhedia and the seven-foot-tall space lizards who seek to dominate the Scottish leagues using magical Timmy-Beams from their network of satellite space lazers. Most to gain - Euphemism. Translation - It's inappropriate for persons connected to clubs that Rangers stole from to pass judgement upon their theft and fraud. A truly independent commission should be set up, perhaps one featuring a High Court Judge and the chairmen of a First Division side and an East of Scotland league club. Rangers fans certainly wouldn't view their opinion as tainted by bias and would never, ever publish their addresses online or threaten to burn down their stadiums. Juninho EBT - Euphemism. Translation - "They did it too". Microscopic fig leaf covering Rangers' shame and preserving some of their dignity, much like that mankini did for Borat's. Why is a tribunal not being set up to look into this? Deflection. "They did it too". This is very like if Rupert Murdoch demanded to know why nobody was investigating the misdeeds of the East Lothian Courier. We want justice and fairness for all. Translation - We do not want justice and fairness for all. If we had any interest in justice or fairness, we would be calling for New Rangers to be excluded from senior football in favour of a club that won't go bust by Christmas. We are actively seeking injustice and unfairness - after all, it's what we're used to. Here are our demands - appoint Donald Findlay and Sandy Jardine to investigate, then find us innocent. Or else.

No doubt many do. Mind, I'd say that given Undead Rangers' recent history and current plight, this situation is considerably sillier.

Hilarity over at Rangers Media, where Charles Green's "Motivated by bigotry" comment has gone down a storm, so much so that anyone who suggests the great man may be talking pish to keep the fans onside until he can punt the club on for big bucks is getting the I Smell Catholics routine. Not content with David Murray pulling the wool over their eyes; unsatisfied with being conned by Craig Whyte, it looks like the Buns are about to repeat their mistakes. You have to laugh and laugh, really. That mob will Swallow, Swallow anything, if their prejudices are sufficienty pandered to.

In fact, all of this "Our theft and fraud has badly damaged the Scottish game & endangered the very existence of some clubs, ha ha GIRUY WATP" attitude is pretty offensive to all, even to folk who don't follow football. Which is probably why nobody has any sympathy and why more or less everyone hopes the Buns get stuck in the lower divisions forever.