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I was bit surprised with EK today, picked up cards for fun and it was no surprise they played half the game with 10 men.
Hard earned and great win for the Rose.
Any of the top 6 could win this league.
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4 hours ago, edthebaw said:
Renfrew 3-0 Rose
Just a bad day at the office, but maybe some fall out coming.
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2 minutes ago, selfassemblyshire said:
Brilliant to see a couple of the Bonnyrigg players greetin on twitter about our penalty which shouldnt have been.
Ironic that they haven't fired theirs up from 2/3 minutes before where it was just as bad
Makes the 3 points even sweeter
Soft as opposed to cheating.
I suppose it was going to take something like that for you to finally beat us.
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On 24/05/2020 at 14:55, LongTimeLurker said:
It was the top west clubs (mainly those in Ayrshire by all accounts) that knocked the superduperleague concept on the head over travel time concerns prompting Kelty to defect to the EoS. Now it's probably going to take at least another decade to get to something close to what should have been the starting point for the south tier 5 feeder.
The pyramid can't really exist in next seasons format for long, it is so lopsided and unbalanced. The irony to me is whether the top league in Scotland is 12 or 14 teams is about as irrelevant as it gets. What is really relevant now is the 190 odd teams in tier 3 down.
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24 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
Once raised as an issue it probably found support from the other Angus clubs. Then if any of this was said during Professional Game Board meetings the Highland League may have came across as some what supportive of the issue as well. The loss of access to the SPFL League and Challenge Cups wouldn't neccessarily be seen as that major to them. Due to the lack of truly Northern teams in the draws.
Looking at a map, this could effectively be shifting the demarcation line from south of dundee to south of Stonehaven?
With the wosfl due to start it becomes a very lopsided pyramid.
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The bit I don’t understand:
the only team in league 2 that benefits from the “shift the highland league lowland league boundary” is Brechin. So what did Brechin do for the spfl to take that on, and threaten the lowland league to get it through.
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4 minutes ago, pipedreamer said:
Yes, the lowland league was told by the spfl that if they didn’t alter their rules to allow Brechin to drop into the league If relegated, that they would lose their places in spfl competitions (league cup and challenge cup).
The spfl was asked to supply funding to compensate clubs for the increased travel to Angus but point blank refused.
Thanks - I suspected pressure would be applied, and I couldn't figure out why the play off might be cancelled but that puts all the pieces in the jigsaw together.
No other club in league 2 benefits from the spfl shifting the pyramid line.
There's 13 clubs south of Brechin that have been prevented from going to the Lowland League pyramid because of location.
The Lowland League has been threatened with removal of cup competitions unless it acquiesces.
My club have been disadvantaged, but the Lowland league made a decision, that was probably arguably a reasonable decision in the circumstances.
I think there's huge question marks that need to be resolved over how the SPFL has acted.
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2 minutes ago, charlie king mvp said:
Has that actually happened? I’ll admit I wasn’t aware of that at all.
I wasn't aware of it until last night - a tweet hastily deleted - brought it up. I believe it is what was referenced in the Brora and kelty joint statement, and it would appear it's been common knowledge for weeks.
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57 minutes ago, traffordab said:
They won't win.
It would cost a shitload of time and money even if they were crazy enough to do so.
Even the infamous friend of the club donald findlay would get nowhere with this.
It's all bluster for god sake the powers that be aren't concerned in the slightest with a club like rangers threats never mind in the grand scheme of things what the small fry are saying.
I think you're wrong. I think Kelty and Brora will win. They have the rules on their side.
I think the bullying and threats from the spfl regarding this suggest the spfl know they will win too.
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3 hours ago, Dunning1874 said:
How can Brechin, Brora or Kelty set a budget and build a squad for next season if they're not going to know what division they're in until 4 days before the season starts? That's completely unworkable and impractical.
Not knowing which division Kelty or Brora will be in wont be a huge matter to them, because their playing squads will be largely the same regardless. Maybe Brora and Kelty would prefer not to have a play off, because of the uncertainty, and would prefer to stay in their respective leagues. But, if they thought that, then they wouldn't have come out with the joint statement would they? The only real problem is for Brechin, who depend on the spfl handouts. They've also got a hand on the spfl driving wheel.
The way I see it, Brechin, hiding behind the spfl don't want to come to a solution.
1 hour ago, charlie king mvp said:I understand the frustration felt by Kelty and Brora here but as pointed out above it is completely impractical to have playoffs right before the start of the season. It’s unfair on all the clubs involved.
And as Big Al points out there is no prospect of playoffs being able to be staged any time soon. I have no clue when we will be able to return to football with crowds but there won’t be any football played at our level behind closed doors. I have almost resigned myself to the fact that we won’t get to football before the end of 2020 and we might not even get a 20/21 season at all.
League reconstruction was always a long shot as well. I understand what the rules say about the pyramid playoff but is there anything in the rules that says we can reconstruct the leagues at the end of a season to promote a whole load of teams who otherwise wouldn’t have been promoted?
So is what we’ve arrived at fair? No. Is it the least unfair option? You could argue it is.
The leagues could have been made null and void. That would have suited us fine but would that have been any fairer? I don’t think it would have been.
Would there have been the same focus on Brechin if our chairman wasn’t on the SPFL board? I don’t know but the idea that Ken Ferguson is some sort of puppet master controlling Scottish football is pretty laughable.
Kelty and Brora would take the impractical, and try to work on the best fair solution for all three clubs. Brechin wont. They are hiding behind the spfl.
I don't think you really understand the political dynamite that the lowland league have been forced to accept a rule change to allow Brechin in. The only club that rule change benefits is Brechin, so the position of the Brechin Chairman is frankly untenable within the spfl and the clubs should fire him.
Every club works in self interest, but bypassing the highland/lowland league line is corrupt, and has massive implications.
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9 minutes ago, craigkillie said:
The following season can't take place when we don't know who is going to be in which league.
Ahem. The rangers.
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1 minute ago, craigkillie said:
Not in the middle of the season you can't. If the 2020/21 season starts in August then the 2019/20 Scottish Cup games can be played in September, October, March, whenever, because it has no impact on the 2020/21 season. The same isn't true of the play-offs. The following season can't take place when we don't know who is going to be in which league.
Season starts on 1st August, play offs on 1st and 4th August, league starts on 8th August.
not ideal, but certainly workable given the circumstances.
playing Scottish cup ties following season has a number of issues - not least in relation to player registrations and suspensions, but again not ideal but certainly workable.
what I’m not seeing here are practical arguments as to why Brechin should avoid a play off - and reasons why the tier 5 champions should be deprived of a play off.
the revelation that the spfl forced the lowland league to accept a rule change to accept Brechin is dynamite though.
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Just now, craigkillie said:
The Scottish Cup games can be played any time during next season, the play-offs can't.
why not?you could play two one off games at neutral venues. It would take 4 days.
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11 minutes ago, big al said:
You are making up your own rules mate to justify a scenario.
Kelty may be champions but before the season started it was clear to everyone that being champions only meant they qualified for a play off semi final.
Dundee Utd, Raith etc were clearly playing for automatic promotion if they won their league.
All Kelty have done is qualify for a play off semi, the same as for example Cowden in L2. All play offs are cancelled so Kelty, as Cowden, Inverness, Falkirk and many more miss out on the play offs.
Dont think for a second Kelty are the only ones who were trying really hard to get promoted via a play off and have lost the opportunity.
The difference is the play offs further up the league are entirely within the remit of the spfl.
the tier 4/5 play off is within the remit of spfl/hl/ll/sfa - all effectively hold a veto.
Ive a fair idea that the spfl will apply pressure to get the outcome they want. It really depends on the type of clubs kelty and Brora are if they stand up to them. Personally I hope they do stand up to them as I think they have a rock solid case.
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2 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:
The problem with looking at one specific rule is you can find another that contradicts it. Especially considering the circumstances. Under the rules its the SPFL that states the dates of the pyramid playoffs. Which it did at the start of the season. 25th April & 2nd May for HL v LL. 10th May & 16th May for Club 42 v. HL/LL winner.
Under the lockdown there's no football being played.
You can argue that with everyone ending their seasons, matches haven't been postponed, they've been abandoned. In which case under Rule HH the SPFL can do whatever they want.
If the matches haven’t started, they haven’t been abandoned.
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On 19/04/2020 at 17:23, parsforlife said:
Wait SoS be part of the east? That’s mad.
There’s so many things that would need to happen here.
1. 16+ sides get licenced in the west.
2. Automatic relegation from spfl. There’s no point in just moving any bottleneck.
3. A desire from all lowland area leagues that they actually want this
4. get spfl/HL to agree.
That’s quite a lot of obstacles.
If he thinks the league is a bottleneck, wait until he finds out about the SFA licensing committee.
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The one thing I did wonder was were Bonnyrigg aware of the decision prior to it being made public. It seems they were not. That's not great on the league, and disappoints me - but - the league haven't explained why that was the case.
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53 minutes ago, Jerry Macguire said:
Out with the Premiership there is too much opposition to colts teams for that to happen under the current set up. Radical restructuring would be required and even then I think it would be unlikely.
Colts would need to start at the bottom.
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32 minutes ago, magoo said:
Im not picking holes in the decision as its gonna be a nightmare whatever outcomes arrive..but is it not a bit off thinking about how the top team gets promoted whilst shutting the door on relegation
If the lowland league can expand to 18, they can get around the unfairness of relegation with games unplayed while allowing teams in.
i think it would unfair on the league as a whole if no team got a crack at league 2.
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Just now, bravehearts dad said:
Difficult decision but why make it now?
I suspect it's to protect the position of the Lowland League winners in the tier 4/5 play off scenario. If that is the case, then I think the league have to be applauded.
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1 minute ago, weeredbook said:
Well done , your attitude to this outcome is great .
I shall make a point of attending one or more of your home games next season .
Let me know when and we can get a blether and a drink.
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Congratulations Kelty, a team worthy of winning this wonderful league. I'm sure you would rather have won it on the pitch, but its clearly not your fault that this wont happen this year.
I hope you get that crack at League 2 one way or another.
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Well.
We now know that the play off teams are Kelty v Brora with the winner playing Brechin.
We also know that any change to the play off arrangements has to be agreed by all of the following:
SPFL SFA LL HL
There's no rule as far as I know that says when the play off has to take place, and as we are only talking about 4 games, it could take place Saturday/Wednesday/Saturday/Wednesday over 10 days at the start of next season. I hope it does.
I'm disappointed with the ruling, but also, I think it's hard to find fault with it and it's good people running the lowland league. They would have agonized over this.
I'm also sure that Kelty would have much rather had have won this on the pitch. It's not their fault that opportunity was denied to them.
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1 hour ago, selfassemblyshire said:
How are we feeling in here then? Lost out by just over .1 points per game
Gutted, but, football seems secondary just now and the Lowland League had a hard decision to make.
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Bonnyrigg are due to play Bo’ness on Monday, that might get canned too.