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That's a superb photo.

Nah mate, you can't have this one. Having no word in your language to differentiate between second person singular and plural is an absolute riddy. Youse should be more widely, ahem, used. It's not an indicator of imbecility, but one of linguistic evolution and adaptation. Embrace it, or be left behind.

Aye I seem to get sat with that lot every time I go to Pittodrie (my "home" ground for Thistle games until this season). Just an angry, angry lot.

I always like reading articles about the real men and their lives leading up to football. I think it's a valuable article in that it teaches us compassion that we forget when we're in a larger body of football supporters, seeing the player only as a one-dimensional baddie. It doesn't say that the challenge itself was deliberate, and the article does say that it was a season-ending one. The article talks about his temperament and his "competitiveness" while giving context to it all. That's not terrible journalism, it's actually good journalism. I have a feeling your inclusion of this article in this thread has more to do with your hatred of MacKinnon than with any lowering of journalistic standards.

I'm away to the League 1 forum to begin setting up the Jags 19/20 thread. Wattery shite of a season.

Aye Coulibaly can pay this himself. Utter banter signing.

A lot of truth in this. It took me moving to Aberdeen to get an outside view on growing up and living in the western central belt (EK and Glasgow) my whole life. You guys don't really give that much of a shit about it all, and I initially found that disconcerting.

Nice start. My mate's father in law is a huge O's fan, so I have a wee look to see how they're getting on. The Hammers ground looks, like most of the top two tier clubs I think, pretty soulless. Any plans to head further afield or are you going to stick to the London based clubs for now?

Is Cardle still injured or will we see him return for the trip up to wildling country? I'm feeling weirdly optimistic about this season now. I hate it. E.t.a. Just realised it's a home game. Riddy.

Can I have the link to it please?

(1) This forum does it loads. This isn't a choir you need to preach to, so maybe that's why you're getting such a hard time over this. We've been lifelong fans of our clubs, for 30 years (myself) or more, so a couple of young lads coming on with the "fresh take" on stuff that isn't all that fresh to us feels a tad presumptuous. If you'd come on and asked for feedback, the reaction would have been different. You didn't. You gave it the "hear what we had to say about YOUR club" (and I can't be the only one who read that in Jim Delahunt's nasal whine) as if we should have been honoured to be included. That'll be a big reason why you're copping a lot of flak. (2) You include stereotypes just so you can say at the end that they're not true? This sums up how you don't understand the demographic you're writing for, and also a huge amount of the patrician arrogance and condescension of which you're accused. People who are football supporters, and locals, know that the stereotypes aren't true. Glasgow stereotypes have been done to death and been dealt with comprehensively in movies, art and literature. (3). Maybe you need to have your stuff read by different people. Receiving feedback requires a sense of humility (as I've said before) and if you're committed to producing good work then you need to subject it to the fires of scrutiny. That means asking older fitba supporters their opinions and how they feel about it. The fact that everyone on here who read it found condescending tells you all you need to know. E.T.A (4) It's what happens when you are over the age of 12 and you've read books and newspapers for your whole life. You get to discern who people are from what they write. The type of people who would feel a sense of entitlement when they come across a gentleman of more modest means (the scarf seller) and assume that, not only would the adequate response be to disrespect his wish to be photographed (or his stall) and call him a w****r, but that everyone else would have no problem with this. It tells me you weren't raised around such people (and given your attempt at the pub conversation, you absolutely weren't raised around such people). So anyway, congratulations on precipitating a miniature heids-gone here. I've changed my tune and you and your blog can walk into the sea. Off you f**k.

The use of VAR just hurts my soul. I can't properly articulate my feelings on it right now (I'll take some time and probably write my thoughts down) but I just want the game to have its imperfections and contentious moments without having to replay every debatable goal. The arguments for it seem to be more about the amount of money riding on games rather than the most important thing (to us fans) which is the spectacle, the drama and the emotion.

Tbf, we should have just said "terrible journalism thread for this pish" and got on with talking about how we're now en route to an inevitable play-off date with Accies after going unbeaten in 2019.

The inference of you being privileged (and that doesn't mean you're gentry any more than "middle class" does) was in the condescending and fairly out of touch manner with which you presented. On retrospect I do think it was that you were trying to hard to play to a demographic you don't adequately understand. You're young, though, and you'll hopefully learn from that. I did get the nuggets of affection for the club, and for scottish football. I really enjoyed the pictures (I forgot how lovely our pitch is, for example) and, as I said, the attempts to provide historical context were nice. Just stick to what you're good at and what you know. The paragraph at the start with the fictional conversation in the pub was unnecessary and will have put people's backs up from the get go. That doesn't seem to be your strength. You're not Thistle supporters or, by the looks of it, Glaswegians. Own that, and own that you don't understand the city. Being honest about that will get people on side, especially when you show you've taken the time to read up on the club, and to praise the cracking mural outside (a lot of people don't know about that, for instance).

And how many pubs have annals? It's an appalling sentence. All of it. "we're sure such a conversation resembling this" would have had my P7 teacher throwing my jotter in the bin. Close to heads gone over this now.

I just read the "rating our visit" part of your original post. Shove that. Thank you.

I like that you're doing this, it's an excellent project. You'd done your research and knew about Davie McParland, which is more effort than scottish sports hacks go to. You try too hard with the comedy angle and it comes off as seriously cheesy and condescending. The pub conversation at the beginning nearly put me off entirely, and undid a lot of goodwill I had as I started reading. People from the middle classes getting a kick out of Glasgow patois and working class "authenticity", while turning their nose up at the people who talk in that way are becoming more of a thing now (see "scottish twitter", and your article) but the side-eye swipe at Maryhill's "unique character" left me fuming. Who do you think you're writing for? Do you think all the Jags fans reading that article are from Milgnavie? Most Jags fans on here will have supported them because of locality, either their own or, in my case, my father's. My granny lived in Maryhill, so I have nothing but affection for it, and growing up it was one of my favourite places to visit. As I said I like that you're doing this project, but you have to bear a few things in mind. You're highly privileged being able to do this. Being able to fund your own trips to these grounds, while having weekends off to do it, it something most people don't have, so be aware of this privilege and show compassion for those who don't. It's called humility and, if you can show that in your writing, you'll have a tonne of goodwill. For whose edification is this? This article is written as if the whole project is to promote yourselves, with the club and it's supporters secondary characters. It has the feel of a victorian explorer reporting back on his trip to the Congo as if he was in amongst absolute savages instead of being in a complex culture he was delighted to be able to learn from. You guys are young, and having grown up in social media you won't have learned humility yet. It's a hard road, but it's the difference between being a McIlvanney, or a Graham Speirs (and always, always try to be a McIlvanney). This will probably play well amongs the wee dafties in our support whose ideas (never mind their physical selves) haven't started shaving yet as it is similar to a lot of social media output. Don't be discouraged though. Just be yourselves and be genuine. Good luck.

*Ahem* East Kilbride. And I'm a citizen of the world now.

I dunno. I've been up here for 6 years now and have doric words firmly ensconced in my vocabulary. I consider myself a polyglot now.

Belongs on this thread.

Wid ^^^^

Essentially this. Hibs aren't in real danger of relegation, and are presumably in little danger of doing anything of note at the other end of the table. Just ride it out to the end of the season with Eddie May and take the time to get a quality appointment in the summer.

Aye, it's the smug paternalism of it that really gets my goat, as if surrendering to weary cynicism is somehow noble.

Aye I'm getting a bit fed up with the rush to negativity. Nobody's claiming he's a world beater, but we're enjoying his performances at Celtic and celebrating the fact that he's getting regular first team football. Speaking for myself at least.

Maybe he's just a professional. He played for many clubs so I imagine that whatever loyalty he had as a boy became a little diluted.