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2 minutes ago, Marten said:
There will still be the same football played in the pyramid and there will still be drama...
Cheers mate, didn't know that.
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Top drama in the juniors in the last week. Absolutely tremendous stuff. Will miss it when it's gone.
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Just now, G4Mac said:
I just don't think there is an appetite for the junior cup to transfer over from the Senior leagues, there are already cups that the eosfl fulfil, and a national cup already exists for the Senior ranks. I never felt the same as you do about the junior cup in my 12 odd years of playing junior but I do get the depth of feeling towards it in the junior game, as I said though I don't suspect there will be any appetite for it with senior clubs.... Particularly the way this whole situation has unfolded...
Fair enough, it's just something that to me and probably a number of folk on the Junior side of the fence would represent a nice token of continuity. Not a Junior Cup as such but a National non-league trophy. Anyway that horse has well and truly bolted.
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1 minute ago, G4Mac said:
The best things transferring over should have been spoken about 5 years ago at the pyramids inception..... Mr Johnston and everyone else didn't wish to take part then.... Which is fine if that was what they felt was best then, but what has happened since then is the LL and eosfl have developed their own cup competition and processes after the opportunity to join was rejected.
In any other walk if life, you would be unable to return to something 5 years later and try and ask for the same things to be put in place or be part of a deal. This is going to be a major issue as part of any integration, junior fans and clubs think all their good points should automatically be brought over, what they forget is that the Senior leagues may not believe that the sjfa competitions warrant transferring over.
For the SFA, their mission appears to be clear, get all non league clubs under the one banner..... They won't force this, but won't stand in the way if it happens in time.....at this stage the LL and eosfl (wosfl in time) are part of the Senior pyramid and are the current contributors to the spfl.
I would say though that at this stage the Senior Scottish is the biggest cup competition in this country,
I completely agree, a monumental arse has been made of it particularly on the Junior side and the whole thing has been overtaken by politics now. The Junior wounds are largely self inflicted and they've badly overplayed their hand in the west.
Just to clarify I don't see the Junior cup as "big" but I do see it as holding massive social, historical, and all sorts of other importance that, purely by dint of being a more modest animal, can in many instances satisfy those hard to reach places the Senior Cup can't! It simply won't be bettered if it's left to wither on the vine so it should be front and centre of all serious integration attempts.
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7 minutes ago, craigkillie said:
Why would any of the history of the Junior Cup or the clubs involved disappear if the Juniors "grade" goes? Historians didn't suddenly stop talking about the Soviet Union when it collapsed in the early 90s. History will always be history - the most important thing is getting the future right.
You've missed my point I think, and in quite an odd way.
I wasn't really talking about history being eradicated Thanos-style because I kind of already know that doesn't happen but about the avoidable decline of a great trophy which could have been integrated into a new structure and it's cultural significance being lost, never to be replaced.
"Getting the future right" should quite clearly include a continuation of the best things in conjunction with the new.
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Posted this pompous overwritten pish in another thread but it fits in here too....
I agree that 2017/18 is likely to be remembered as the last "true" Scottish cup by most onlookers, which is a hard thing to admit about your favorite football tournament in the World.
I'm massively in favour of an integrated solution to the current situation that takes everyone along, leaves no teams behind, and works hard to retain the best aspects of the Juniors, putting some much needed character, tradition and diversity into a fairly modern and sterile Pyramid non-league, certainly in the Lowland area anyway.
That notion looks dead in the water now and the prospect of watching the impending decline of what is (and always has been) easily the best non-League competition in Scotland is unbelievably sad, more so because it could have been avoided with more cooperation and dialogue at the early stages. If that wasn't enough we all know it's inevitable that the Junior game will shrink westwards like the wee map at the beginning of Dad's Army until reaching a tipping point whereby it will be engulfed anyway, having spunked the considerable political leverage it once enjoyed.
Meanwhile you see folk on here putting the boot into the Cup while still claiming to be fans of Junior football which I find utterly mental given the incredible romance and history of the thing, it's an absolute treasure and you don't need to have won it 12 times to regard it as such.
Look at the list of early winners from the past that would be all but forgotten but for their place on that list and consider what they represent in terms of Scotland's social, political and cultural past and you might come to the same realisation as me that it's more or less blasphemous to risk losing it. Teams with symbols of industry on their badges and names that transports you straight to a time and place. This is why despite being quite progressive about restructuring I've got no time for some of the pyramid roasters on here who would fling the baby out with bathwater in the name of some OCD quest to have everything under a single umbrella at all costs.
Anyway, the timing of all this has made the Talbot win on Sunday stand out as particularly special among their 12 wins. They're clearly the team immediately synonymous with the competition to most folk and only the biggest curmudgeon would ague that they don't deserve to be the last winner of the competition in it's final pomp as a National trophy. There was something brilliantly poetic about seeing all the threads of the story came together at the death as Tucker Sloan finally surpassed Knox with those 2 goals in the last 2 minutes of what feels like the last cup. A bittersweet day.
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On 09/06/2017 at 16:17, Shanner said:
without wishing to look like a knee jerker or greeting faced c**t, it's hard to see where it can go from it's current state other than further into obsolescence and irrelevance.
The Kelty move won't be the last and the best of the East region are sure to follow.
The West will have to overcome their reservations about travel or lobby hard for a restructuring that suits them.
The time to modernize and rejuvenate the Junior game itself has probably passed and the best that can be achieved now will be a slowing loss of the best sides, but not a prevention.
there will be a lot of bitterness towards the sides leaving initially but it smacks of a small time loser attitude to criticize for showing ambition.
Telt yeese.
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Stoke fans are a singularly unattractive, poorly dressed, hygiene-unaware collection of oddities so a forgettable match was improved tremendously by the police pepper spraying some of them, and I don't mind admitting that - even as a snowflakey Liberal handwringer sort - I hope the police were doing the decent thing after seeing one fat drunken ride too many in shite fitba casual clobber.
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6 hours ago, The Mantis said:
Abbey Hulton Utd just up the road. That was the first one I found but there’s probably more. Get the Groundhopper app by Kepermat for the phone, then all the grounds will appear on the map and you can tap them to get fixtures.
Cheers will have a look at that app. Appreciated.
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Is there a decent site for finding non-league English games by postcode or region?
Looking for something to go to after the Stoke game tomorrow as it's a lunch time ko.
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On 4/29/2018 at 17:32, The Mantis said:
Envy you a wee bit. Had a tour there as Ajax had switched their game to the night before we arrived. Got the train to Rotterdam and watched Feyenoord instead.
Went to this as well. Was a decent enough experience for an end of season dead rubber.
Was right next to the Sparta fans but it was surprisingly one sided in terms of noise, with hardly a peep out of the Feyenoord fans.
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Was waiting on Talbot for about £300 in 2012.
Could have covered my bet for £50 as SBA were such long odds.
The rest is history.
Ouch.
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7 minutes ago, Deanburn Dave said:
Lowland league fans waiting for the supporters bus
"Samatha had a real problem with the potential property footprint".
Die.
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Was at lochee today, couple of lowland leaguers nearby.
Do they all talk in a whiney middle class voice about property development at games?
We need to know, because that was fucking insufferable.
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28 minutes ago, Glenconner said:
Minimum of 21 games starting on Monday night.
How many are they playing on the Tuesday?
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Oh and congrats to Hofurt too. Could be a good final.
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Hard lines Wishy, a gallant effort and a complete credit to yourselves. Folk will remember this as one of the greatest underdog cup runs in the future.
Now, sadly you probably have a backlog game in ten minutes so don't lick your wounds too long.
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Hopefully this will help inspire the Wishaw guy's too.
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No harm to Hurlford but it will be something special if Wishaw do it today.
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On 4/16/2018 at 12:32, Glens lad said:
The opposition, ‘Wishaw Juniors’ looks like a second thought going by that poster. Even the sponsor is more prominent
Poorly designed in my opinion
Aw ffs man, this place cracks me up with the dourness of some folk.
Can picture you at the final at Rugby Park last year raging because the font on the pie wrappers wasn't to your liking.
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1-0 is no kind of lead at all, Wishaw are still in the tie as are Talbot in the other one.
Hurlford will clearly need to play to score the first goal knowing it would all but kill the tie if they struggle to do that then who knows!
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56 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:
They really would be the peoples champions.You really are the forums balloon.
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2 hours ago, Rab B Nesbit said:
The Vale took me to 66 Shanner.
Oooft, the end is in sight, at the rate you go to games anyway.
Sitting at about 20 myself although I doubt I'll get even half way there as there's a limit to my means and motivation.
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On 4/2/2018 at 10:23, Rab B Nesbit said:
Good Friday another 1 ticked off of the 92 ... Port Vale 2 Chesterfield 1 ...
Liking that program design.
You've probably already mentioned it but how many of the 92 have you done?
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Junior football, what is the future?
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You must also have dreamt that I made reference to either of those things. Stay off the cheese would be my advice.