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At tonight’s meeting at Hampden, Lauriston Thistle have been warned about future conduct and fined for not having corner flags in the last round.
Had Harestanes not withdrawn their protest, we are told we would have faced a replay or even being thrown out.
Glad the matter is now done and dusted.
Great, common sense prevailed, well done0 -
West of Scotland Cup 1/4 Final Draw
Castlemilk Dynamo or Hurlford Thistle v Eastfield
Drumchapel Ams or Glenburn MW v Giffnock North or Gartcosh United or Tarbolton
St Joseph's v St Patrick's FP
Glasgow Harp v Glasgow University
Clear ties played Sat 15th Feb
Semi finals draw
Tie 1
Castlemilk Dynamo or Hurford Thistle or Eastfield v St Joseph's or St Patrick's FP
Tie 2
Drumchapel Amateurs or Glenburn MW or Giffnock North or Gartcosh Utd or Tarbolton v Glasgow Harp or Glasgow University
Eastfield v St Pats
Giffnock North v Glasgow Uni-1 -
Apologies to Eastfield
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*Harestanes.
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We have been cited to appear tomorrow at Hampden. I’d be surprised if we were not playing Eastfield on Saturday though.
Nonsense, hopefully common sense will apply. It stinks that Eastfield had the forsight to put a paragraph in that they would accept any decision if the SAFA decide to pursue anything in the referees report. Almost as if they had been told it was in the referees report and withdrew protest to take some of the heat off them at the time. They could have just said they accepted the result and do not want a replay. Maybe they will do the right thing tomorrow at Hampden and tell them they accept the result.0 -
We're no still talking about this, Eastfield will play Lauriston on sat and that will be the end if it. Even if the SAFA were to favour a replay I doubt very much the Harestanes players would want to play it now.
Only talking about it because Harestanes telling folk its to be discussed/decided upon at a meeting at Hampden this week. Appreciate its been talked to death but I think like everyone else i thought that it was finished with. It clearly isnt yet.
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Hearing from a Harestane's player that flaggate hasnt gone away. Refere has mentioned it in his report and being decided at a Committee this week whether to replay etc. Harestanes paragraph in their protest withdrawal about being happy for SAFA to make a decision IF its in the refs report now could look like they had some inside information.
As an aside quite a few Harestanes players none too chuffed about the situation.0 -
Hearing from a Harestane's player that flaggate hasnt gone away. Refere has mentioned it in his report and being decided at a Committee this week whether to replay etc. Harestanes paragraph in their protest withdrawal about being happy for SAFA to make a decision IF its in the refs report now could look like they had some inside information.
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From what I saw of them nobody will skelp them , they are well organised team with some very neat and tidy footballers in there.
All about opinions, but they've been skelped a few times already this season, and my money is on another skelping0 -
For me wishaw will won the Scottish cup. Great side
Entitled to your opinion but Oban will skelp them in my opinion. Wishaw a bang average team. Seen them twice this season and gobsmacked anyone would describe them in those terms. Eastfield for me who are a far superior team.0 -
Fair point but doesn't look good when they get beat by a Doune side that most people would say aren't that great now a days
Agreed, and I was surprised at that result tbh, but I still think they could be acwee outside bet for the Final at least. Just an opinion.0 -
Shocker indeed. Hefty defeat that never seen it coming. Shortlees been steady this year so far
Took this game in and tbh bit of a gulf in class. Harp thoroughly deserved their win and it could have been more. Good AMATEUR team getting their just rewards.0 -
One word "Beat"
For the East, so not beat, a defeat in the league doesnt put you out the East Cup last I looked0 -
One word, Cambusbarron
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Unfortunately it doesn’t look like it. I’d like to see us go down same route as the Cale but I don’t think we will which is a shame.
Thats a shame. Absolutely nails any argument about teams being promoted who allegedly wouldnt have if they had been in the other 1st Division. It also gives everyone a really competitive league and more variety of opponents. Been told its worked very well in the Caley and the teams are loving it.1 -
A wouldn't say that 1A has better quality over all Oban are just a very good team 1B has Bridgewater who got to the semis of the west not long ago Lesmahagow who done well in the Sunday league talbot who were a prem team last year and Blantyre who won the a cup last year
Would the league not consider following the Caley in going to a single First Division. Their 1st Div is a cracker this season with few teams fighting for promotion. Avoids the argument about 1a better than 1b etc0 -
erpro v drumchappel - Away
Eastfield v lauraston - Home
Braehead v Sandys - Home
Menzieshill v Tollcross - Home
Fintry v Glenburn - Home
Cowie Th v shortlees - Home
Gartcosh v East Kilbride - Home
Oban v Wishaw or Singer - Home0 -
Shortlees & Eastfield everyone’s favourites now?
Eastfield for me, cant see past them tbh0 -
Does anyone know how their game went today? Would have fancied Tollcross heavily especially after their great win last week at Bannockburn.
3-3 FT, 5-3 to Cambu in pens0 -
Cambusbarron are in with a good shout for the East this year imho
Thought it was a good shout at the time, and still do.0 -
That must be the worst looking draw for a Scottish cup round to date amateur game not the same anymore
[emoji2] [emoji2] cause your team isn't in it, total nonsense0 -
This whole thing has been crazy. I think there's 2 narratives to consider...
1/ the rules/laws situation
2/ the 'should they or shouldn't they' have appealed?
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1/ It seems that a rule was broken through no fault of Harestanes. We don't know if / when they told the ref (there seems to be conflicting information on this). So, IF they didn't tell the ref till after the game - it's underhand. IF they did tell the ref early on and again at half time - then I think they have every right to feel unhappy about the conditions in which the game was played (considering that according to Harestanes they raised it multiple times). However, I also think that if they were so upset then they should have not continued the game until flags were out (which I am sure they would now do if in this situation again). I think it's also important to recognise that according to Harestanes it was 0-0 when they informed the referee - and that they did not start to protest when 1-0 down. Had the home team / referee sorted the flags out when it was raised this whole thing would never have happened. Had the home team / referee ensured there was flags there in the first place, then again, this wouldn't have happened.
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2/ The 'moral' or 'integrity' decision to follow through with an appeal or not. That's what everyone, man, woman and dog has jumped on. It's buried the facts of what happened in the game. And I've purposely not got involved in the 'morals' of their decision. People were jumping on a bandwagon, and turning it into an east v west thing, a wee team v big team thing... people were using it as a chance to get a kick in to a team who have sat near the top of the amateur game for a good while. So, if public comment is to be believed then it seems everyone has a well calibrated moral compass and nobody else would have done the same thing as Harestanes. Yet, a lot of these same people will try and gain every small advantage during every game they play - from things like claiming for decisions that they themselves know are not theirs. I ran a poll, that the results showed 1 in 4 would have appealed in the same way Harestanes did. Yet, if you were to go with public opinion on the comments - you would think it would be more like 1 in 1000 that would do the same.
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I understand how this mistake in relation to corner flags can be made. Perhaps in the LEAFA flags are not mandatory - but in the CSAFL they are. Perhaps in the league the refs part of flags are not mandatory too. In my opinion, the moment no corner flags were raised with the referee (assuming it was during the game) - it should have been sorted out there and then, and maybe the ref thought it was sorted once he'd spoken to both teams believing that the flags were not mandatory. I have read that he is an excellent and experienced referee, and I've no doubt that if he was aware flags were mandatory that he would have got them. For what it's worth - as I said on twitter yesterday, if I was the ref I must admit I would have made the same error. Although my league requires them, I thought the Scottish Cup games were played to IFAB laws - and could have been played without flags if both teams are happy to do so. I've since learned that in SAFA Competitions that flags are mandatory.
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Preventing things like this in future? How about consistent laws across leagues that are part of the SAFA. Specifically laws/rules relating to the playing of a game and necessary equipment... rather than have some leagues having corner flags mandatory and some not. I think local rules are great when used to tackle specific challenges that a league is facing - maybe the use of trialists for example. I think a consistent set of rules relating to the conditions in which a game must be played across the SAFA and all member leagues would help all involved and prevent something like this happening again. Maybe on the team lines of leagues and the SAFA competitions - having any local rules that could differ from league to league or league to cup on them would help notify the teams and referee of anything different than they might be used to.
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And finally, I can't wait for the remainder of the Scottish Cup this year. It's as open as it's ever been. Some smashing teams in it, some new teams in it at this stage and no doubt more than a few will be thinking that they realistically can win it. Fintry for me are dark horses in it.. knocking Thorn out who are the Caley premier champs. Fintry who were formally Douglas Ams that beat Colville only 2 or 3 seasons ago... have shown again that they can compete and beat the tops sides. Can't wait for the draw and best of luck to everyone in it.
I saw a post on Twitter by someone with a Harestanes Badge on their profile having a dig at you for, in his words, "unashamedly stirring the pot". I think that is bang out of order. If youre running such a big amateur account you cant just ignore/not retweet posts about one of the biggest controversies of the season because you are a ref in their league. Dougies tweets (without seeming to sook up your arse) as far as I can see were always pretty fair giving both sides the opportunity to sound off. If guys cant realise that you have more than one role in the ammy game and allow you to get on with each without using it to have a dig about the other then they need to grow up. Just bitter about his own club making a total arse of themselves nationally and tryjng to shift some responsibility and blame.0 -
If the SAFA are to investigate then I would imagine Friday draw will still have Harestanes included , I would tend to agree with above the statement has left it wide open for SAFA to act and the part of statement where there have been threats is this a ploy for replay game moved to neutral venue .
I don't think we have heard end of this yet...........
Only thing is do the SAFA really want Harestanes to travel through there with the current mood of everyone. Not saying anything would happen but lets be honest if theyve withdrawn their protest the commin sense decision is to leave well alone. Recipe for disaster written sll over it.0 -
As the boy above has said, we can all see your fishing for bites but it’s looking increasingly like you have a gripe with the lauriston manager?
Did he not rate you as a player and turn you down for his team?
just seems like your wasting a lot of time on here hiding behind a username rather than just say your piece?
Id guess if you do get outed, you’ll no doubt class it as just a wind up
Couldnt get a game with Lauriston so dropped to the diddy league i guess2
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Im loving how anyone can think Harestanes come out of all this with their reputation unscathed
