Dunfermline Don
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Scotland does not have any debt.
Only a notional share of UK debt, for which we have no liability should we choose independence.
Any UK debt share we choose to assume should be at least equal to the UK assets we decide to take. Or we can lease them a sub base for a decade or two in lieu of part of liability.
I would not be at all surprised if keeping subs in Faslane for a while became part of any deal/arrangement post Indy.
The Brits do not have a great record in the way they have let some countries have their independence in the past. You just have to look at the Indian sub continent and Ireland for the mess we/they left there.0 -
Brian McClair after scoring the only goal of a Scottish Cup second replay against Aberdeen at neutral Dens Park in February 1987, after a 2-2 draw at Pittodrie and a 0-0 at Celtic Park.
I am correct in thinking this was Porterfields first defeat as Dons manager?0 -
The Burnley fans probably need to experience a run of the mill league game at Pittodrie but you make some good points here.
Exactly, but if Pittodrie can have a better atmosphere than they have experienced in ‘the best league in the world’ how sterile must the atmosphere be down there?
I used to follow Palace when I lived in London and Selhurst had one of the worst atmospheres of any ground I went to. Now they are being lauded as having one of the best.
Imagine what Burnley fans would have thought of a rocking Tynecastle, Easter Road or even the ugly sisters if you can look past the ‘party songs’0 -
Most of your point applies equally to English Premier League sides outwith the elite. Especially the part about teams just trying to frustrate their way to an away (or often home) point to inch towards mid-table mediocrity.
And nobody who watches English football with any regularity can pretend it is rammed full of good players playing good football. The Bottom Fourteen are mainly utter dugshite and most of the games they play among themselves would get fitba stopped if the marketing department hadn't made it an indisputable fact that the quality on show is actually good.
I have to watch English football relatively often as a social obligation since so many of my mates are English. It's not uncommon to wince your way through a game involving the likes of Burnley, Everton or Palace. It's genuinely painful watching at times.
Add in that most English sides aren't even interested in trying to win a cup or (even worse) qualify for the Europa League and you've got a 'product' that one has to seriously question the actual value of. What exactly is the fucking point?
Why would anybody who is not a rabid Everton fan be in the slightest bit interested in Everton? Or Newcastle? Or Crystal Palace? These clubs are, sadly, utterly pointless these days.
Do we really envy those fans of English Championship clubs who get to watch their side crawl through a 650-game season fighting inch by inch for the right to spend the following season playing with eleven men behind the ball trying not to get bummed rotten every week? Unless, of course, your club has some questionable source of wealth and influence, like Wolves.
And you mentioned stadiums. I completely disagree with you there.
Do you want the Emirates or Old Trafford where the locals complain about the number of tourists and where goals are celebrated in front of 'passionate' fans filming the celebration on their phones? Or perhaps West Ham's new place, described by a West Ham friend of mine as like going to a game on the moon? Or maybe Spurs' new place, if you fancy remortgaging your house?
Scotland has plenty of good places to watch football. Tynecastle, Easter Rd, Celtic Park, Ibrox, Tannadice are all stadiums that can give as good an 'experience' as anywhere for a big game. The lower leagues have plenty of perfectly decent smaller places where you can go and stand and enjoy the fitba in decent surroundings, often with a wee social club for a pint before and after.
Obviously the standard in Scotland is lower than in England. Nobody disputes that. But arguments like the ones you make don't really hold water as a reason to not watch our football.
I agree. They continue to hype their game up but it is has become a rich owners plaything and a lot of the grounds of the top clubs are now full of day trippers rather than true supporters.
I have experience of watching a lot of English football in the late 80s and being a football fan down there was almost the equivalent of being a drug dealer. Cages at grounds, Police escorts at away grounds and always the threat of major violence breaking out. Teams like Chelsea and Man City were playing in the second tier(it was still called Division 2 in those days) and getting crowds a fraction of the worldwide support they have now. In fact many top flight Scottish clubs got higher crowds than those in the English Div 1. This was the era of Wimbledon and Luton who had a smaller average crowd than the Pars at the time.
The turning point was the 1990 World Cup and Gazzas tears. It became cool to be a football fan again the Premier League soon followed and the rest is history as they say.
I feel we have missed a trick by trying too much to emulate or neighbours south of the border.
The all seater rule killed the atmosphere in a lot of grounds and rows of empty seats look a lot worse on TV than empty terraces making our game look even more tinpot.
However all is not so rosy down south, witnesses Burnley fans compliment the atmosphere at Pittodrie last season compared with games in the EPL.
Our game may not be the best in the world but it is ours and we should celebrate all that is good about it. It would be a help if our football authorities also ran the game for all our clubs and not just two of them.8 -
Bet Westminster knows exactly how much
thats why they want to keep us. 
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Not shitebaggery just being sensible. Even if you think you can win a battle you don’t just go steaming in with no plan.
So do you think the Leave campaign had any plan other the current omnishambles we find ourselves in?
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I meant fans actually at the station getting the train. Especially on a Sunday to a meaningless fixture.
We do get a good away support but I can remember us filling the entire away ends at both Edinburgh clubs. Guessing 4000 at least.
Sorry about the misunderstanding.
I can also remember the Pars filling the away ends at Easter Road and Tynecastle for cup games back in the 80s. Must have been about 6-8000 on the ‘good old’ uncovered terraces.1 -
Noticed quite a few. Maybe 100-200 liverpool 'fans' at dunfermline station yesterday. Probably more than the amount that would be there for a dunfermline away game in edinburgh.
Full kit wankers and everything.
Surely supporting dunfermline or even getting bummed by a tramp is less degrading than that?
There was just over 1k at the Edinburgh City game last Saturday and I would say about 80-85% of the crowd appeared to be Pars fans. I would hope some were Pars fans who support Liverpool as their English team.
I heard that Scotrail also ran additional coaches from Aberdeen. This caused some ire up there as they hadn’t done so last season when the Dons were playing at Hampden.0 -
It’s the 4th placed ones you’ve got to watch for Gogs.
Not so sure they were invited but believe the SRU spotted Liverpool’s problems trying to secure a venue and offered their services.
Do the SFA or SPFL not have a say if football games are arranged to be played in Scotland?
Especially when there are already competitive games being played the same day.
Maybe the SFA will have a masterplan now and invite the Rugby European Champions to play an exhibition game at Hampden. Given their organisational skills I have every confidence it would be a huge success!!!0 -
Scottish football will have had literally hundreds of sold-out games in that 30 year period which could have sold 70k+ tickets. The fact that Murrayfield is a wee bit bigger than Celtic Park, Ibrox or Hampden doesn't make this particularly special.
It’s is a shame then that we don’t have a national football stadium that could accommodate that then.
I don’t know about hundreds of Scottish games that could have sold the same maybe the occasional game between the ugly sisters and Possibly the ‘salt n sauce’ cup final as well.
The Dandies could also have sold more tickets for the 2014 league cup but the authorities would rather have empty seats due to segregation issues at that game.
As for the National team, possibly the recent game against the ‘Auld Enemy’ and the Italy game spring to mind as demand outstripping the capacity.1 -
The fact that this was the largest crowd for a football match in this country for about 30 years and it not only didn’t contain any Scottish teams but was played at the national rugby stadium should make the footballing authorities in this country hang their head in shame.
However it could be counter argued that there is a market out there if the product is right!!!0 -
I wonder if this will be his speech when he comes here on Monday?0 -
They weren't, it's a lie. They all went every week, even before Souness arrived and started spending millions. Sold out every week. Just ask any Rangers supporter and they'll confirm they were there.
In those days they could often take more fans to an away match than they would get at castle greyskull.
One of my favourite memories way the loyal fans screaming for the head of the ‘greatest ger ever’ as the Dandies went 3-0 up. ( that’s those who were still in the ground).0 -
Sitting in a pub in Perth right now and listening to some eat your cereal walloper tell a group of American tourists how Scotland can’t be an independent country, we’ve nothing to offer and we’d be a basket case
He's a Scot
They are all aghast at his attitude
Moments like this make me genuinely embarrassed to be Scottish
We are such a fucking weird “country”
Heard similar from a guy phoning radio Scotland this morning. He said we need the English and the money they give us from the Barnett formula!!’n
If we are such a drain on them why not give us our independence? Or is the oil,electricity and water, that we have a factor?0 -
Prize buffoons don't do anything subtly.
I doubt if he even knows the meaning of that word.
I am still trying to figure out if the buffoon act is an act or just the cuddly public persona to fool the media and Tory members to vote for him.
Something that will be focused on instead of the right wing agenda the country is in danger of adopting.0 -
So are EK going to win this group?
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Boris the DUDE (doesn’t understand diplomats or experts)
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Used to be up all night all the time.
Worked in casinos and on cruise ships.
It used to be a right of passage on the ships to be in the ‘breakfast club’. (Crew bar after work then cabin party till the crew mess opened for breakfast, then a few hours kip before your next shift)0 -
Edinburgh City with a decent chance of qualifying for the knockout round if they win against Albion and EK, would be on 9 pts so will likely come down to goal difference.
Does it go by goal difference or the result between the two tied teams?0 -
Using the old analogy of a frog being placed in a pan of boiling water and jumping out or a pan of cold water but on the heat.
We are in the later and the pan is now boiling over.0 -
Celtic and Rangers aren't playing so no one in Scotland really cares, sorry did you not get told that?
Turned it on for a few minutes today . RIchard Gordon went over to Chick to talk about the cup matches,he mentioned Hibs then went on to discuss a rangers signing and something about celtic as well. I switched off at that point.0 -
Was thinking the same, and I can't quite get my head around whether: Trump, Johnson etc are so stupid that they don't believe mere mortals can connect piss easy dots having this play out publically, or, they just have complete contempt for peoples intelligence and anyone standing in their way of their goals.
Unfortunately I believe the later. There has been a consistent dumbing down this millennium and sadly loads of people will be more concerned about what is happening in ‘Love Island’ or whatever reality show is currently on TV.3 -
I love Gayfield,probably my favourite ground in the country and very much looking forward to visiting it again.
I will be gutted if the halftime end change isn’t allowed though.3 -
Luckily Ball has just signed for QPR [emoji23]
They said he was going to Rangers!!!0
We're officially a diddy footballing nation.
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Ah, but it’s the biggest game in the world with its ‘special’ atmosphere!!!!!