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This is the first documented occurrence of technology taking longer to reach Dundee than Perth - unless the DABs had it first…

Friday Night under the lights - Championship 1 week, Premiership the next - can only show 1 home game and 1 away per team per season. The Friday games are one thing I miss about the championship. Saturday - Replace Off the Ball with something fresher and more balanced across all leagues. Open all Mics I like but the pundits need seriously freshened up and need to be employed based on qualifications and skill rather than jobs for the boys. Sportscene to include 8 mins of highlights minimum, 12 mins maximum of video highlights per game and 3 - 5 mins of analysis maximum of Premiership games. Exceptions only to be made where something mind blowing has happened (a 6-5, 4 sendings off etc). The important thing is that all games have similar and consistent length of coverage. Championship should have its own show on later in the day with 1 or 2 featured games with analysis and longer highlights and goal/red card highlights from elsewhere - with a general rundown of the league and talking points afterwards. There could also be goal highlights from league 1 and 2 but I can take or leave this as I don’t think the appetite is really there - this could be packaged into on demand highlights packages probably. Sunday I’d like to see a panel type show - a hybrid between Open Goal/AVFTT where key storylines across the league are brought out and discussed - a feature on 1 club per episode perhaps. Scotland games must be free to view - especially in times like now where it’s not utterly dreadful - we need the next generation hooked - at 38 I must admit I treat Scotland like a 2nd team I watch out for results for - would 100% watch if on telly I had subscribed to but I’m not paying any extra for it. VAR can gtf - I’d rather be cheated by refs and the OF in a less in your face way so I can try and convince myself honest mistakes happen and it can’t surely be a conspiracy.

RE Utd - I don’t think as a club they conduct themselves with much integrity and generally after they do something idiotic their fans revel in it. Now I’m sure there can be these sort of allegations against all clubs - not least mine - but I live in Dundee - which although a city is in fact a glorified village so every Dee has Arab mates and vice versa. I’ve seen some great people do some awful things in the course of supporting Dundee Utd. I don’t want to drag up old ground but any Fanbase that can sing “he shags who he wants” while their club publicly back the player so they can cash in for me are pretty reprehensible. You will still see Utd fans defending him when the topic rears its head on here every so often btw. If you look at the backlash Raith got for thinking about signing him years later it astounds me how lightly Utd got off with that. Then you add in making up accusations of racism trying to defend their player after he bit an opposition player on the park, employing ground staff who were known to have been sexually abusive to other staff members etc and they are just not for me.

Love Dundee Soft Spot - Partick Thistle - no idea why Dislike - Aberdeen - arrogant and entitled , Caley - don’t ever seem to beat them, Hamilton, Livingston - absolutely nothing clubs and in hamiltons case absolute minks Hate - Dundee Utd, Celtic, Rangers I would always want Celtic and Rangers to beat Utd purely from a sporting perspective - I would in fact like Dundee Utd to lose every game they ever play. I do however have far more time for Utd fans than any OF fan and particularly OF fans not from Glasgow who are the lowest of the low. That said - even the decent Arabs I know have a sense of entitlement and arrogance I don’t think they are even aware of.

This thread has been horrific. Arabs obsession with wrestling loving beard toting toffs only matched in its cringeworthyness by the rest of the site taking up arms against anyone who likes Open Goal and their, pint swilling, Charlie sniffing, tattooed arms in their financed German cars. In the end both sides coming across as utter fuds. Also left me confused as I’m a beard wearing Simpsons fan who hates wrestling, have no tattooos but do have a BMW (electric) and a nice salary - but I never went to uni… I don’t know what the f**k I should be listening to! I watch open goal interviews - I played football with Si as a kid and still chat to him so I got in early when it was really just Si Ferry meets.. The interviews - in my opinion - are generally quite entertaining and often insightful although they are definitely getting dragged into actively trying to repeat lines of questions/people in common that have been popular (Tommy Gravesen et al). I have tried listening to the podcast in the car, but my honest opinion is 50% of the time it’s ok, 50% of the time it’s almost incoherent. I find every episode there are bits I enjoy and bits I could do without. I’ve only ever watched AVFTT on TV a few times (I didn’t even know it was a podcast) and I will say that I did despise it. It’s everything about Scottish Football that makes us look tin pot - awful production, terrible pre scripted dad jokes and the people on it are wooden and almost like reading lines badly. It’s Gimmicky and doesn’t work imo. Since reading this thread however I decided to try the podcasts and I do find them infinitely more palatable. So to that end it seems likely I’ll continue to listen to both fairly regularly as at the end of the day Scottish football content is thin on the ground and I love Scottish football. I guess I’d say my opinion is the production of Open Goal - and its manipulation of social media and branding - is far superior to AVFTT, even if the content is at times less mature. Tbh it’s more likely just to be as a result of “star power” with active and recent Pro footballers more heavily involved, but selling out the Hydro is not to be sniffed at and Si has done a fantastic job building a 2nd career for himself. It’s also inherently true that anything that focusses more on popular things will be more popular - and theres more OF content on open goal than AVFTT for sure - although I don’t think it’s at saturation point and completely unappealing to non OF fans.

Charity work from the Dees - getting the Rangers fans out their various backwater hovels to the lights of Scotlands best city to live in whilst also stopping them being arrested for sectarianism by cancelling the game. Just enjoy your day in a city with no sectarian issues and various fine dining and drinking establishments.

Anyone any idea what time ticket shop opens tomorrow?

I had no idea that the education system in Aberdeen had declined to the point anything over a paragraph intimidates its denizens. Sad to see.

Dundee Utd are shite. Thank you

Dundee Utd are shite.

I wasn't referring to our game at all - I think reality has well and truly sunk in now and most Dons (including yourself) were very gracious in defeat on Wednesday. But when it’s going shite for St Mirren, Dundee, Motherwell et al the fans are a bit quicker to accept they are in for a rough ride than the Edinburgh/Dandies/DABs - that little extended window is the sweet spot where the entitlement seeps out - and it’s quite enjoyable as a neutral. I should say that I don’t have anything against Aberdeen (city or club) or its fans - always got more respect for people that support their local team rather then opting for an arse cheek - I’m just giving my unwanted amateur analysis on why the vultures are circling because it’s Friday and I couldn’t get myself motivated to do any work so was procrastinating.

I can’t believe the timing of this but just when Dons fans and Aberdonians in general thought things couldn’t get any worse…

There is something to be said for the arrogance of certain supports. Aberdeen are afflicted by this - about their city (which is like everywhere in Scoltland, a shitehole with nice bits here and there) and their football club. It’s trivial things but you’ll often hear things like “no disrespect to *average Premiership club* but we should be expecting 3 points when we go to their ground/shouldnt be dropping points at home to them” This was mentioned by the AFC TV commentators during our last visit to Pittodrie in a fixture I and most of Scotland made Dundee favourites for pre match. It’s a by-product of relatively recent success to be fair - but it often takes these fan bases (certainly a large portion of them) a lot longer to realise quite how dire they are so it’s quite funny to watch (see the game in hand patter) - DUFC are a classic example of this and that’s why so many enjoy their hilarious demise. The Scottish top flight is tight enough these days that it takes 1 incompetent idiot in charge of your club and you can go from clear in 3rd one season to bottom 3 or 4 very easily over the next season or 2. Aberdeen appear to have welcomed one of the most idiotic owners (football side wise) for a long time. I saw a starting XI of values somewhere up the thread and to me that sums up Aberdeen as a club at the moment - it’s genuine laughing stock material and demonstrates a huge lack of awareness on the boards part. I’m 100% certain Not many Dons fans care about the culture or the holistic approach to key strategic decisions taken by the CEO. They want football people that know what they are doing making the key footballing decisions. By all means get the “culture” right and do all that good business stuff - but do it internally and report on the results in your shareholder comms. ETA - Most championship clubs will see Dundee fans as arrogant as we continually seem to get relegated there and then expect to win it without much issue - spoiler - we never do and they love it

We play the pretty intricate football cos of McCowan and Cameron roaming into pockets and pulling the strings. We can’t have those 2 in centre midfield and just running about into space without Sylla - he’s like their big brother who just goes around protecting them, covering their mistakes and generally being a shining example to them. He also dug us out in the first half when Miovski got his sight at goal Boateng might be that guy one day but is still young so doesn’t have that consistency in his locker yet.

I think we often won it back due to complete ineptitude from Aberdeen rather than our own hard work but of course was a mixture of both. Some of the passes from defence were genuinely hilarious. Compounded with the freekick they had and played back to Roos almost costing a goal.

Relatively speaking, Aberdeens league position is a cause for mild concern I’m sure. In isolation however you’d expect them to stay up relatively comfortably. This is likely why most fans of other clubs say you’ll stay up etc. Having witnessed that Aberdeen performance last night though, Dons fans have every right to be absolutely shitting it. That defence and goalkeeper would be poor in the championship. Nothing of any substance in midfield and when Hoilett started showing signs of promise he was hooked and replaced by a wee fat lad. Miovski is the only reason you aren’t down yet but he looks to have been “Warnocked” and if you can’t get the ball to give to him he’s pretty limited in what he can do. One of the things that really struck me was your defenders unwillingness to show for the ball - you were dispossessed multiple times from defenders and in midfield because when players looked for a pass players were hiding. Often the easiest pass would be pointing at another player purely to avoid getting the ball… Finally a general query - that goal kick “Roos Ruse” - where he demands the centre halves come short, gets them all in position then points forward and kicks it long right to our midfield - is that something you always do or was it a time wasting tactic? It never went short once all night - understandably so having seen the defenders ability with the ball.

I’ll add my voice to the cacophony - that’s a penalty every day of the week and twice on a Wednesday night. Every bit as silly as the one Shaugnessy gave away at Pittodrie. A rare example of VAR doing the job it was supposed to do - albeit - a bit like myself at work - slower than anyone would like.

Portales and Sylla - caviar. No idea why some are picking Costolloe out though - absolute humpty and a complete shitehawk in the air - only marginally improved in the 2nd half. Aberdeen - Not Caviar Whole defence horrific and only outdone by the goalkeeper. Lucky that wasn’t 4 or 5. I’ve genuinely never seen a defence so terrified to have the ball and also so stinking when they were forced to have it. No. 27 absolutely horrific.

Like I said - I’m not particularly motivated politically and have zero ties to the military apart from a single cousin. To clarify one thing - My name was created back when Luka Tankulic was a thing and everyone was calling him “The Tank” - my young teenage self thought it was clever to translate that into his native tongue (or something relative to it in his native tongue). I now realise that context is fleeting in football! I then discovered women and alcohol and never posted for years until recently - when I worked out through bitter experience women and alcohol should be enjoyed in moderation and ranting in a football forum with similar lunatics was actually less stressful than both.

It’s a pretty sad indictment of our nation and our football landscape that any engagement/interaction or pride with or for our military forces or heaven forfend a charity that supports veterans is seen as “Rangersy” and therefore unionist by association. The Black Watch have significant emotional and historic ties to the city of Dundee and this area so I don’t see any issue with it and take pride that my club have made strong likes with a worthy charity that will benefit the lives of many. I’d be equally happy if it was a children’s charity, a cancer charity etc. I’m not overly political and I’m not at all religious, and I don’t always agree with the things our military are sent to do, but that should be no barrier to people receiving support if it’s needed.

In the good old days if you wanted to vent your opinion post match you had to go out of your way to get home, connect the internet and search for a football forum on your PC and type a response. This provided a barrier of time to articulate your thoughts. You also had to be interested enough to seek out said forums - therefore demonstrating at least the potential for basic intelligence exists in that person. Nowadays every mouth breathing arsehole reaches into their pocket and has instant access to a global forum to spew their absolute nonsense - so even if you’re not looking for football chat it’s rammed down your throat. Any Dundee fan calling for Docs head is a Fanny.

2 evenly matched teams. Dundee a better footballing side for the purists Killie far better physically and more workmanlike with a couple of players who can deliver a great ball. Fag paper between the teams but the current league position and points tally show which approach is more successful in the Scottish Premiership.

Yeah sorry it was kinda a direct response to whoever it was asking to explain casual play - I just couldn’t be arsed quoting (or scrolling back now to see who it was) as when Dundee do shit like today it genuinely annoys me and takes me an hour or 2 to get over it - like a petulant child if you will.

My take is we go at teams and generally dominate the ball (at Dens in particular) then get our reward and go 1-0 up - then we stop playing, sit back and stop putting the pressure on. Means the opposition get a foothold and start to get balls in the box - which we are very poor at defending. Rinse and repeat.

Love Owen Beck - but not as much as he loves driving in from the left along the touchline to flash a shot wide when he should cut it back late in the game…