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4 hours ago, Scary Bear said:
We’re talking about Scotland who can never get past the group stages and who had a song titled ‘Don’t Come Home Too Soon” as their anthem at the last World Cup they were at.
Steve Clarke’s done just fine. If we do our usual and get papped out in the group stage it won’t exactly be a shock.
You could pretty much write it now. Plucky performance in the opener with the hosts, where we lose to a late goal, but put in a performance that has everyone saying “do that against the other two and we’ll be fine”. Spirited draw with Switzerland. Unlucky defeat to Hungary.
Were not at all, were talking about this Scotland team right now.
What other teams did with different players is completely irrelevant.
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16 minutes ago, 2426255 said:
Add context to those results. How did the team perform and were the results merited. We lost 4-nil last night, but we didn't merit losing 4-nil so that's a mitigation for what superficially is a really poor result. Also factor in wider elements such as things being influenced off the park such as facilities, willingness to bring on the younger players etc.
I dont think anyone is judging Clarke on the result one one friendly game. Or that would even come in to account. You look at the results on the whole.
I dont care about facilities or if hes brought young players in, anyone could do that. Its wether hes winning games or not.
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1 hour ago, ScottishZizou said:
Think this Euro’s performance will define the Clarke era. He has been a good Scotland manager but failure to get through the groups here and it’s tough to say his tenure has been a success. If we don’t get through it will be multiple instances of falling short of achieving anything substantial like making the last 16 of the euros or making a World Cup. Get through here and it will be a proper achievement.
Wales, Ireland and Northern Ireland have all made it out the groups at a Euros in the last decade. If he were to have two attempts and not achieve the same it would be pretty poor. We have been more consistent but achieved nothing yet that is beyond our capabilities. It seems a bit arbitrary that three games can define so many years but that’s just the nature of international management
I dont know, id say even if we finish bottom of the group then he has still been a success. Hes qualified us twice so its an improvement. But id say that would be the correct time for him to leave.
But your correct its easier to get to the euros. Also its a stronger squad and team than we have had in years.
35 minutes ago, 2426255 said:To judge Clarke based only on tournament results is one dimensional. I fear anything other than qualifying from the groups will be deemed a failure by the masses, but he's been a success in my book.
What else are we to judge him on other than performance? The name of the game is to win games, qualify and then do well at the tournament.
Theres no other criteria, its international football, you judge it on results.
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12 hours ago, The Algebraist said:
To be honest I think his star is on the rise at Man United. Yesterday was just about the best I've ever seen him play for them and the place was rocking. He seems to have a lot more license to get forward which is definitely helping.
I'd love that to be the case, but I just can't see it. Hes not rated by the fans there and I expect he will be back on the bench shortly.
Hes done enough this season for another good team to have taken notice and play that role for them.
On the flip side hes getting enough game time to be fully match fit for us which is the important thing.
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Caught McTominays game tonight, brilliant performance from him.
I'd like to see him move somewhere hes really appreciated tho. Dont think he's ever going to get that at Man u.
I reckon he's done more than enough this season to get a good move and be playing in a position that suits him. Driving from midfield.
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I just got mine yesterday, looks great. Took a walk down the road in it. Everyone was loving my look and I appreciated their reactions.
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See, exactly as I said. McGregors place is under threat. Now look hes lost his place
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15 minutes ago, velo army said:
That's a very individual interpretation of what has been said. The poster hasn't really offered constructive criticism and hasn't engaged well or in good faith with any others. Most folk have stated, with reasons, why McGregor is important, that Ferguson and he aren't comparable and that McGregor's current performances in a Scotland jersey don't merit consideration in dropping him.
The OP, rather than engaging with this in a thoughtful way has responded with a lot of abusive ad hominem and "pish".
There have been a couple of posts which can be interpreted as blind faith in Clarke, but he's earned a lot of credit and I think it's curmudgeonly to view overall satisfaction and deserved faith as cult-like.
Well I think were all posting our individual interpretations, unless your posting on behalf of a collective
Your only looking at it from one side. Look at @eez-eheez-eh's post above. Hes just invented two perspectives from me out of thin air?
In general people need to chill out, its not a slight on Steve Clarke discussing the Scotland team and players on the Scotland pages.
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47 minutes ago, eez-eh said:
This could be a valid point regarding actual constructive criticism.
Saying that Callum McGregor should be dropped because he plays for Celtic, or losing the heid because some EFL Championship jobber who’s had a good 5 games in a row hasn’t gotten a call up isn’t constructive criticism.
I think you might need your eyes tested mate.
I've never said McGregor needs dropped. Only his place might be under threat after the euros.
As for championship jobber, I genuinely have no idea what your on about?
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2 hours ago, velo army said:
18 posts on this page so far. 8 of them from the OP just responding to absolutely fucking everything and now I see "the sand dancer is typing".
Donno man, I mean anyone offers any kind of constructive criticism they get constantly "i agree with Steve clarke and whatever he says or does"
Its like a cult and makes these pages pretty dull.
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6 hours ago, dezz said:
I'd be very surprised if McGregor hasn't ever received any offers to leave Scotland for a higher level, but who knows. I'm sure there was some chat about Rodgers looking to take him to Leicester when he left Celtic for them.
I guess when you are captaining the club you've played for your whole career, lifting a treble just about every season while taking home ~£25k a week (guesstimate) and don't need to move away from family or friends then I can see why he's quite happy to hang around at Celtic.
Yeah I remember the Leicester links as well. Its a a short career tho, if you can double that wage
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The McGregor reaction reminds me of that guy on YouTube with his teary defence of Britney Spears
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1 minute ago, The Moonster said:
Have a good night mate.
I'm saying that McGregor will play for us until he retires because (a) I think he's that good and (b) we don't have anyone who does the job as well as him. There will need to be a very good midfielder emerging to displace him in the next 4 or 5 years, which is when I expect him to retire from international football.
Do you understand now or do you want to say some more ridiculous things before I go back to ignoring your every post?
Its better to talk about football rather than childish insults. So yes its an improvement. The first part anyway.
Tbh generally your posts are quite emotional and childish im perfectly happy if you wish to ignore me.
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3 minutes ago, dezz said:
There’s McGregor on the 4-man shortlist for the SFWA player of the year.
FWIW, I think McGregor is a fantastic midfielder and is one of the first names on the team sheet.
He does a job that not many of our other midfielders can do and gives us the balance to allow McT and McGinn to support the striker. Always been a bit disappointed he never tested himself outside of Scotland but no doubt he was/is capable of playing at a higher level than Celtic.
Tbh this is a welcome post. Someone who wants McGregor playing but is rational.
Why do you think he never left Scotland? Just out of interest?
Lack of options and just didn't want to?
Either way he would have been a better player for it. Could easily have seen him playing in a better league.
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Just now, The Moonster said:
My very first post in response was balanced and you went off on one about how McGregor is over rated. I'll admit since then I've been less balanced as it's clear I'm arguing with a moron/troll/both.
Callum McGregor will start games for Scotland for as long as he plays international football. That's what I've said. Why are you talking about him in his 40s?
That doesn't make any sense, but ok yes as long as he or anyone is playing international football they will be playing international football.
Nothing like you said but OK.
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5 minutes ago, The Moonster said:
My post already called you a fanny, you really didn't have to make another to prove it.
Indeed, I chose to ignore your childish comment.
So when you say "He'll be a starter for us until he calls it quits". You don't mean that he'll be a starter for us until he calls it quits then?
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McGregor is a good player for us and has been for a while. Some of these opinions tho you would think he was a multiple world player of the year
If others are doing well in better leagues then we should give them the chance. Its not about loyalty, playing for Scotland is an honour. Its about putting the best team we can on the pitch. I'd say McGregor might be under threat as a starter in the near future.
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1 minute ago, The Moonster said:
Whys that Bing fanny now talking about McGregor playing into his 40s? Why are there so many people in this section incapable of understanding the written word?
16 hours ago, The Moonster said:McGregor has been excellent for Scotland for years, baffling that folk are doubting him. He'll be a starter for us until he calls it quits.
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51 minutes ago, gannonball said:
Which banned poster is it? Pep? DRYHORCE?
Not sure, dont think its either tbh.
Hes got a point tho, the over rating of players on here is ridiculous.
Mcgregor of celtic (note not real madrid), is apparently so good he can play into his 40s at his discretion
And is so irreplaceable its crazy to even discuss it. Thats McGregor..... of celtic.
Its nearly as bad as the dykes opinions.
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1 hour ago, velo army said:
I get that, I just think that Ferguson isn't the same type of player as McGregor. I also believe our strongest midfield has both McGregor and Gilmour in it. Why do you think that McGregor's days as a nailed on starter should be under threat? I'd say that this would only be the case if his form started to falter at international level, which it shows no signs of doing as yet.
No I don't think he is, but I think gilmour certainly is. Or McTominay or mcginn could also play the McGregor role opening up that slot for Ferguson.
You can't really compare the Scotland form against players not getting selected. So you have to take a step back and think every once in a while. Who is the players who should be playing? For me I think after the euros McGregor might not start as often as he has been.
Every good team is always looking for ways to improve.
Weve got a cracking midfield and plenty of options, its not surprising there's plenty of opinions.
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1 hour ago, The Moonster said:
Ferguson has been in around squads for ages now, how is he not integrated? McGregor has been excellent for Scotland for years, baffling that folk are doubting him. He'll be a starter for us until he calls it quits.
The Abroad League doing heavy lifting again in this section of the forum.
Cmon now that just ridiculous, you think McGregor should just keep playing into his late 30s regardless of what any other player does?
There needs to be a bit of common sense on here. And less defensive reactions. Suggesting players to replace others doesn't mean anyone hates players or doesn't rate them.
Personally I think McGregors days of being a nailed on starter for Scotland should be under threat. Not that he's doing anything wrong. Just that others (ferguson, gilmour) are younger and doing it at a higher level.
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12 hours ago, DiegoDiego said:
He clearly does, otherwise he wouldn't have gathered so many many caps (and goals) for one of the world's better international sides.
Thats down to lack of credible opposition, rather than being a good international striker.
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On 21/02/2024 at 16:45, HoBNob said:
Hear me out here, I'm quite aware that Dykes will be on the plane, I get it. I even said that in the post you quoted.
I'm just saying that if we're having discussions about striker, for me a big one is about whether Dykes does make us a better team, and for me he doesn't anymore, and hasn't for a while. You say about increasing the output for the strikers would impact the output from our midfielders, I'd argue that the best way to get the best out our best players (our midfield) isn't for us to shell balls over there head in the hope McGinn or McTominay pick up second balls from Dykes.
If Dykes was this fantastic link man, terrorising defences and making there life a hell surely there'd be some talk of him moving up from relegation threatened QPR? I just don't think he's that good.
I'd legitimately far rather have Shankland up front, from what I've seen his link up play and ability to lead the line has been fantastic, would Hearts be trading him for Dykes? I don't think so.
Pretty much it exactly, hes not very good. At international level he's done well at times. Nothing against the guy, he gives everything he has for Scotland. But hes just not got the ability needed for an international striker.
He will be in the squad, but thats where we need players coming thru just now.
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11 hours ago, ahemps said:
That would be a good move for McKenna.
I'm surprised neither of the OF teams are taking a chance on him. He may not be as good as Carter Vickers but he's probably better or at least on par than the rest of the centre halfs between them.
Either may we'll have, if I were him I would have chosen Copenhagen. I've spent a bit of time there over the years and always enjoyed it. Reckon it would be a great place to live.
If he can get in the team then its a great move for him and us.
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Ok, im gonna use the Hungarian team from the 50s, and morton of 94