Beenzon-Toste
-
Posts
627 -
Joined
-
Last visited
Content Type
Profiles
Forums
Events
Store
Posts posted by Beenzon-Toste
-
-
Not putting forward an expression of interest surely only meant that they preferred the other option that was being discussed at that time. Not that they weren't interested in the Pyramid.The ones who voiced that opinion clearly at the WRSJFA extra General Meeting. If they had all wanted to be in the pyramid, you wouldn't have had at least a quarter of the clubs not expressing an interest in the LL-WoSFL plan.-1 -
Happy for you to believe that spin if it suits you.The ironic thing is that, at the West Region SJFA "extra General Meeting", it was emphasised how important it was to save the SJFA, and several speakers spoke about how great an organisation the West Region SJFA is.
Two weeks on from that meeting, we had the West Region SJFA management team phoning round all the clubs to make sure they understand the statement that had just been released, and claims of "all 63 clubs wanted in to the pyramid" which, if true, would effectively end the West Region SJFA's existence.
The LL/EoSFL/SoSFL alliance got exactly what they wanted, they didn't back down on anything and they got everything. It wasn't a concession by them to allow the teams to retain SJFA membership, they didn't ask any team to leave the SJFA and made that clear right at the start of the information meeting. All of the concessions came from the juniors end, as allowing SJFA membership without playing in a regional league is a matter for the SJFA clubs to decide.
The WRSJFA also got exactly what it wanted, ALL clubs in together. SJFA membership for those that want it and entry to the Scottish Junior Cup again for those that want to participate in it. The fact that they are advocating that their own positions disappear shows how much it means to them.0 -
Who didn't?"Everybody wanted pyramid" eh ? Really ?
I think we all know that's just utter nonsense.0 -
New name, Terry, but still same bitterness.https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-pyramid-masterplan-agreed-juniors-21753119
An SJFA insider said: “We are very confident that all our clubs in the west will move together - that was always our intention to make sure nobody was left behind.
“Everybody wanted pyramid and that’s what everyone is getting.
“This very much saves the Junior grade. The SJFA is just a body but the 120-odd clubs around the country are the association.
“We needed to make sure the Junior Cup was still prevalent and available. It lost its attraction when those east teams left the grade to move to the pyramid but we couldn’t have afforded the west teams also gave up their membership.
“That to me has saved the Junior Cup.”
Looks to me that the Juniors in the west aren't really 100% into this, all about saving the grade
Embrace the new dawn, Burnie.
Holding grudges only holds you back.1 -
Read what?Read above.
Where's Burnieman when you need him?1 -
What rumours?Yes, if the rumours are true, it appears that, after all the fuss by the WRSJFA with extra General Meetings and declarations and all that stuff, we're pretty much back to where we were when the LL made their initial announcement. The only change may be that the clubs may still have the option to retain SJFA membership and play in the Scottish Junior Cup, if that is ratified at the SJFA AGM or an EGM. I'm not even sure that many of the clubs will choose to take up that option.
We await the statements by both sides to give us clarification and then hopefully everybody can finally move on.
Where are you getting this and can you please let the rest of us know?0 -
See above.War? Battle? King?
What are you on about?
Common sense has prevailed by the looks of things. Keep the sjfa as far from running any league in the pyramid as possible = common sense, based on their historical actions and attitudes towards anything pyramid related.
I do agree with your sentiment regarding protecting front line workers though. Staying at home isnt a massive ask in the grand scheme of things.
Lighten up.
Stay safe.0 -
Lighten up mate. I don't know the outcome either but going by the previous posts, it looks like it's been decided what's to be in place going forward.I don't not know what the outcome is but what the hell you talking about, what war ?
Its about teams who want to progress in Scottish football and being allowed to do so with people coming to a decisions in what's the best way forward.
It may be right, it maybe wrong but its going to happen either way and I wish every club that joins and every club that stays where they are, all the best for the future.
My words were tongue in cheek and dysphemistic.
Stay safe.1 -
Looks like the war is over.
It was nice doing battle with you.
'The King is dead. Long live the King.'
New times beckon. Here's hoping it all works out well for everyone. Let's all now live in harmony, we're all Seniors now.
Stay safe.
Look after your family.
Protect the NHS.
Stay At Home.9 -
Do you have evidence from the West to suggest that clubs don't want in the Pyramid?The evidence from the east suggests otherwise0 -
Fair enough, but my point is that the WRSJFA will become surplus if they manage to negotiate entry into the LL run WOSL for all 63 clubs.Really? Only a few hours ago Pyramidic asked "Are you proposing to wind up the WRJFA?"
You replied "I'm not proposing anything. The LL is proposing that.
"
Is your short-term memory failing you?0 -
What about the clubs who would prefer to stay as Junior, where do they play
I can only answer that they all or nearly all want to stay Junior but within the Pyramid
0 -
At last.But joining "en masse" is the WRSJFA's proposal, not the LL's. The LL's proposal is for interested clubs to apply.
So the only people who want to disband the WRSJFA are the WRSJFA management committee.
How is that hard to understand?
Someone has finally got it.
The WRSJFA management committee are prepared to disband to enable all their clubs to progress.0 -
Did the 17 clubs you're referring to ever state that they wouldn't move to the Pyramid?That all sounds fair enough...EXCEPT...What about the 17 clubs who DONT want to move to the pyramid and who didnt put a note of interest in to the WoS ?0 -
I never at any time said the LL was proposing to make the WRSJFA obsolete.Its not, BUT thats not what you said. You know it and everyone else that can read knows it.
You said the LL are proposing to make the WRSJFA obsolete, they aren't.
In fact, If all West clubs don't apply or move over ( and as far as we are aware at least 17 haven't shown interest) I'm sure they would prefer for there still to be a WRSJFA so that clubs have a choice and are still playing football.
If 63 teams applied - and if history, especially in the East has taught us anything - they definitely wont. Only then would the WRSJFA become obsolete by default. No one can say its the LL's aim at all.
That seems to be the fundamental difference here one group want opportunities for any clubs (that choose to) to play in the pyramid and get opportunities that a pyramid structure can offer. Its about playing football at all levels and ensuring the right infrastructure is in place for clubs, players and fans.
The other group from the messages they have put out and the points of support on here, are about the association(s) themselves and about the legacy of the Scottish Cup and nothing much else as.
The LL is proposing to set up a new WOSL.
The LL said they would set up a new management committee to run the new WOSL.
If all WRSJFA clubs decided to join the LL run WOSL then the WRSJFA would be surplus to requirements.0 -
No I'm not. Clydebank and Kilwinning can leave, if that's what they want.
Youre making an assumption that every club will wish to remain members of the sjfa.0 -
If the WRSJFA join en masse then that means there will be no need for a WRSJFA management committee.What is the basis of that comment? The LL has proposed starting a WoSFL, not winding up the WRJFA.
How is that hard to understand?0 -
What is?No they're not. That's just lies.0 -
If the WRSJFA are advocating their own redundancy that kind of throws that theory out the window.SJFA is done.
People are clearly only interested in their own position instead of the good of the game.0 -
A lot has been said about clubs that don't want to join the Pyramid.
Can anyone let us know who those clubs are?2 -
Q1 I'm not proposing anything. The LL is proposing that.Are you proposing to wind up the WRJFA?
What is the position of the SJFA if clubs like Clydebank and Kilwinning decide to ditch their SJFA membership?
Q2 Wave them goodbye and wish them well for their future.0 -
My information is that the new Declaration was to join the LL if the LL accepted the provisions asked for. Thereby making the WRSJFA management surplus to requirements as the LL would oversee a new administration.I don't recall the declaration stating that the WRSJFA wouldn't exist and wouldn't be wishing to administer tiers 7, 8 and 9. I think it said something like "all clubs move together in current format". There are a number of clubs who still think they will be under the remit of the current WRSJFA administration if they move into the pyramid with everyone else, it hasn't been made clear to them that won't be the case.
Don't get me wrong, if Gordon can pull this off and get the LL to agree to it, and get the necessary constitutional changes through, then he will have done very well.
If the LL didn't agree with the provisions asked, then the WRSJFA would proceed with their own application to set up the WOSL.0 -
The discussion/explanation will probably be something like this, - accept the changes required or accept the fact that the SJFA will fall by the wayside. Keep the West clubs together and the SJFA can survive. Lose the West clubs and it won't.That's why I referred earlier to the constitutional changes which would be required for Gordon Ronney's plan to succeed.
How the LL can agree to this plan without GR already having the mandate of these constitutional changes agreed is a question that probably has to be asked tonight, and I'm certain it will.0 -
Was that not before he agreed to change the Declaration of Support for the WRSJFA version to accept a new Declaration of joining the LL with the provisions as previously described?So the West Region SJFA would basically cease to exist ?
I'm sure Gordon Ronney was asked the question about that scenario at the extra General Meeting, and his response was that wouldn't be acceptable. I could be wrong though.0
Junior football, what is the future?
in Junior Football
Posted
The Scottish Junior Cup may become an irrelevance or it may be a way forward. That remains to be seen. At the moment all that can be done is to give it a shot. The new league will be formed which is exactly what everyone supposedly wanted. There's been give and take from both sides. Why are we still fighting?