steviemay17
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I imagine the conversation goes very similarly to this
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14 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:
£200k on another 7 Vertainens.
Deal.
We all dream of a team of Eetu Vertain....
it doesn't really fit the tune I guess
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I get we're not going to go and spend £1m+ on players, but it would be nice if we sanctioned around 150-200k so Grieve can widen his search a bit and find the odd gem
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3 minutes ago, The Saintee said:
I'd personally have hoped that McCann,(given the rate of his development and progress), would have backed himself rather than jump at the first offer.
This is one of the main things but he'll have been advised that it's a short career and injuries do happen, plus he'll often look up in a match or training to be greeted by the ghost of Stevie May as a very visual reminder of how quickly things can change after a bad injury
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6 minutes ago, RawB93 said:
Yeah that's fair enough and I suppose it depends entirely on the context of the situation. Agents are generally scumbags so it wouldn't surprise me if the potential contract was indeed dangled in front of him before any formal transfer offer.
Developing and selling on players should be most teams bread and butter so I really do feel for yous getting somewhat mugged off. I suppose you can hope that he (and Kerr) prove themselves down there and you become a more trusted seller, so to speak, and can command higher fees in future.
January should be exciting for you at least!
I do find the agent and general tapping up thing to be weird. I can't ever find that the whole tapping up practice was suddenly allowed to happen, but we've now publicly got the Fabrizio Romano's of this world tweeting that players have agreed personal terms months before a bid is accepted so it clearly happens and Saints moaning about it isn't going to move the needle there.
My biggest issue is that we are clearly a selling club (basically anyone who isn't Man City, Real Madrid or PSG is) but we still seem to cower from that fact and don't actively try to get big fees when a player's stock is highest. We seem to sort of hide and pretend it's not happening and then be like "oh wow they've left and we didn't plan for this, how did this all happen?")
The youth system is clearly working, we can also develop players from lower divisions like Rooney and McCart, so my hope is that with the new HOR that we actively have a list of names to work on when a player leaves, so now when the interest comes in we can get a good fee, move on and not have a repeat of this in Janaury
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1 minute ago, RawB93 said:
Surely on the last day of the window it's the buyer who should be over a barrel?
Generally yes, but it depends how genuine Steve Brown is being with those comments. It sounds like McCann really wanted that move to happen, Preston were the only buyer and the whole situation had led to use feeling obliged to let him go so it was about getting what we could, and that starting position is pretty much known as "Being fully bent over while they have control of the broom handle"
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Just now, FrankChickens1 said:
The other key point hidden in there is they want other players to know if they sign for saints they can move on, the FM 'stepping stone' theory.
It's good enough logic, if we actually sign players good enough for it to be relevant to them .
That is also true. It's an odd one on McCann because I really don't have an issue with him trying to get a move to further his career and make life changing money, but maybe the way it happened on the final day was poor? I guess it sounds like Preson planned it that way so we were over a barrel, but it explains the lack of an obvious replacement being ready to come in
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That statement is fair enough really, even if you don't really agree with McCann actually going, we were over a barrel, he's probably been a bit naughty in forcing the move but when does keeping an unhappy player ever actually work out well? It would've just rumbled on til January and he would've went for something similar anyway.
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2 minutes ago, Fife Saint said:18 minutes ago, steviemay17 said:At least Alan Nixon has followed up on his campaign to get McCann a move by trying to get himself cancelled on Twitter
Share with the class if you can.
Seems he was doing some kind of impromptu Q and A to show what a big swinging d*ck he is in the media world, was asked what he thought about Celtic's transfer window, a one sentence response of "the wee j*p looks good" went down as well as expected, then doubled down with a pc gone mad kind of response, also really seemed to struggle with the basics of Ali McCann being born in Scotland but playing football for Northern Ireland too but that's small fry
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At least Alan Nixon has followed up on his campaign to get McCann a move by trying to get himself cancelled on Twitter
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It's been some time since i felt this, but there's just nothing that excites me in terms of the prospect of actually watching this team this season, just dread
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The most damning thing about all of this is that it simply cannot be defended
If the plan was to simply replace our best players with fringe-player standard loan signings then that is some staggering incompetence
If we've just panicked and not through it through then it shows the decision-makers can't be trusted to make decisions
Neither has anything redeeming about it
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Saints trying really hard to push the Eetu agenda this morning on Twitter, of course largely brushing over the fact he doesn't have a work permit and literally cannot play yet
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5 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:
What about if the clauses are things that look certain to happen, like International caps/league appearances, and take us over £2m, then you have the 25% on top of that?
Could easily mean them selling him for £8m takes us closer to £5m than £4m.
All a caveat on the 25% figure obvs.
Of course and it's a gamble, but it's a stupid one to take, especially when we currently have walking proof of how badly it can go down south after a big injury with Stevie May in the building. That £5m will be useful once we've fully transformed into Falkirk and play in League one in two years
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If we've taken a piss poor fee purely on the hope that he goes for a bigger one in the future then that's naive to the extreme. Preston don't have a great tradition of developing players and selling them on, they go through managers pretty quickly, relegation isn't out of the question for them so that could result in him being sold for £2m and it won't break Davidson's record, plus injuries can happen at any time.
Sell on clauses are designed to enhance the fee, not top it up to the level that it should've been at in the first place
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I've found the silver lining! Transfermarkt has Eetu's contract down as expiring at the end of this year, so by the time we get that sorted he'll be a free agent and we save on the fee
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So I guess as a brief summary
Steve Brown has set a precedent that he'll bend over and take a third of the asking price
Our four forwards currently average for a goal every 3.8 league games as a collective
We've sold Jason Kerr, and if we put out a defence containing Devine, Muller and Dendoncker then they have a combined total of 8 senior league starts between them
Eetu Vertainen is currently Schrodinger's signing where he may or may not exist, and if he does then he'll need weeks to get up to speed, he's also not a striker
Shaun Rooney is currently having a meltdown on Twitter so we've given him and his agent all the ammunition they need to hold off signing a new contract
We've put ourselves in a position of being in a relegation scrap, therefore ensuring players won't want to sign new deals and SB will play the "well the future is too uncertain to offer new deals" card so McCart and Clark could also end up leaving for nothing
We've managed to erase any and all enthusiasm surrounding the club, also not much to bring those big European crowds back either
Missed anything?
Edit: We also have the added fun that Devine, MacPherson, Muller, Dendoncker and Crawford can all be recalled with 24 hours notice in January too
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Just now, Honest Saints Fan said:
Well if Roddy was doing it it's not that inconceivable.
There's still a 50/50 chance that we've sold them the rights to Neil McCann I guess
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“I’m bulletproof and you need to be. If you’re easily influenced, you’ll never be a good leader.
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At least with all this cash we can employ someone to have a stab at the Eetu paperwork, just waiting for it to emerge that the paperwork was also too difficult to read on the McCann deal so it's actually £120k and we got the decimal point wrong
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Odds on us to finish bottom have already gone from 14/1 to 10/1
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3 minutes ago, RossBFaeDundee said:
Best one of the night.
I am aware I'm acting like a child, but his stock is at an all-time high after the cups and Europe, Decent offers aren't coming his way if we go down
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Just now, Steve McQueen said:
Still able to sign free contract Guys right?
I hear Plamen Krachunov's agent is dusting the phone off as we speak
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The only benefit to selling him for such a rank rottenly low price is that 25% of the profit will pretty muchbe 25% of the next fee I guess