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Charming. I shall endeavour to quadruple my output forthwith.

Oh I do apologise. If only I'd read the rules that say I have to kowtow to the wishes of the Rangers* fans who don't like reading the truth about their defunct club. I feel such an idiot. (I'm sure if the mods aren't happy, they'll re/move my posts)

Outstanding? Are you referring to the multi-million pound outstanding debts left behind by the previous....ahem.... company, or the outstanding figure of £100m or so that the new franchise operator has spunked on achieving one top-tier title in its entire history?

Frothing mess, eh? Looks like you've been adversely affected by the trauma caused by the death of your club. And probably the shame. Why would I refer to the old original defunct Rangers club as Sevco? Sevco is an off-the-shelf company that Charles Green used to dupe you and your fellow deluded into parting with your magical blue pounds and follow follow his new club.

Moving up a level? A bit ironic that the players you listed played for a club that's six feet under. Supporters of the franchise currently playing out of Ibrox sure are a funny lot.

While there have been occasional flashes of exciting play, I'm afraid the thing that sticks in my mind about the four or five games I've watched so far is the constant cheating on show. Players seem to have been coached in the dark art of simulation, with many flinging themselves to the ground as if shot, holding random parts of their anatomy after an opponent has had the audacity to occupy the same postcode as them, and despite replays showing little or no contact. I had intended watching a fair bit of the tournament, but I'm having second thoughts now. Also, although there has been some entertaining play, the standard of the crucial final ball, and particularly the shooting is abject, to say the least.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/holdingcompany.asp Not sure of the origins, but the lie was born of necessity. The myth that only Rangers' holding company died back in 2012 was one of many pathetically amateurish, transparent, but ultimately futile attempts to pretend that a football club didn't die the death of liquidation. If anything, Wavetower, the company that Craig Whyte used to purchase Rangers from David Murray, came closest to fitting the description of Rangers' holding company, but of course it wasn't that entity that entered administration followed by liquidation, nor was it Murray International Metals. That dishonour fell to Rangers Football Club plc (subsequently renamed RFC 2012 in yet another amateurish, transparent and futile attempt to mislead). Yet many purveyors of fiction still trot out the holding company lie to this day, along with other fabrications such as relegation to the 4th tier.

........said Ally McCoist following the sale of Nikica Jelavic to Everton in 2012, just before the lights went out.

I'll take that as a clear indication that you'd view Celtic as dead if they'd gone into liquidation. As I thought, thanks.

There was no intent involved when a missing signature and date on a form led to Spartans being expelled from the cup for fielding just one ineligible player. There are a host of other examples of clubs having 0-3 defeats imposed on them for other indiscretions where there was no intent. Rangers' catalogue of deceit spanned more than ten years and involved dozens of players. The current club playing out of Ibrox is almost ten years old. You never answered how you'd have treated Celtic going into liquidation, but I think I can guess without your further input.

That's entirely your prerogative. I'd love to hear you explain how you'd feel if the exact circumstances that occurred in 2012 to Rangers had instead happened to Celtic - and I mean exactly the same right down to the tiny minutiae. Imagine Celtic had systematically cheated their opponents on an industrial scale for more than a decade. Imagine the football authorities said there was no appetite to strip titles and trophies. Imagine Celtic went bust with multi-million pound debts but a secretive agreement was concocted to protect broadcasting rights, whereby a brand new club was permitted to pretend that it was the club that had just become defunct . Would you have accepted that Celtic and its fans had suffered enough? Would your fellow fans? The world's most bitter, twisted, entitled and deluded fans? Absolutely no chance! There'd have been rioting on the streets, carnage in George Square, cars and buildings set on fire etc. As a non-cheeks fan myself, those are the acid tests.

See my previous reply to you where I explained that a court of law determined that Rangers didn't get relegated or demoted and that there was no other construct in existence which could allow the same club to end up in the 4th tier. You're deliberately perpetuating what you know to be a lie.

Well I'm really grateful for your positive endorsement, because that'll spur me on to make even more comments on your defunct club now that I know you're all completely nonplussed by the subject being brought up. That otherwise sensible chap AJF doesn't seem to like mention of your club's demise although methinks sir doth protest too much in a lot of cases.

Lance Armstrong living with the burden of the lie.

Your dismissive thoughts, and those of your sidekicks, translate into; "Why do we have to keep going over the same old ground, regurgitating the same tired old circular arguments?" Well the succinct answer to that is that I for one will never tire of reminding you that your original football club died an ignominious and self-inflicted death, regardless of the re-writing of history and air-brushing of inconvenient facts that has taken place ever since. But then, I guess you already know that, as, unlike me, you'll have to live with the burden of the lie until your dying breath.

Except when the liquidator determines otherwise.

Ok, I'll humour you. Explain in what way the company is vitally important and indispensable, rather than meaningless and expendable, if there are no consequences for the club to its demise, and another ten-a-penny, off-the-shelf company can simply replace it and attach itself, leech-like, to the immortal metaphysical club model you invented nearly a decade ago.

The death of Rangers was never a mystery. You just can't accept the truth, because the truth hurts. Denial is one of the stages of grief. You'll eventually get over it.

I can only imagine. Charles Of Normandy's purchase of a basket of distressed assets must rank alongside being duped by David Murray, Craig Whyte and Dave King as enduring highlights in the short history of Scotland's youngest senior football club.

Glad we got that sorted. I must admit I expected a bit more of a fight, but I suppose I should've known how easy you'd give up, considering how you all sat back and let your club die.

Yet the signage on the iconic gates at Ibrox reads 'Rangers Football Club Ltd.' Any sane agenda-free person would have to question why there's reference to a.....ahem...... meaningless expendable operating company....cough.... when, as you say, fans follow clubs. It's almost as if the club became a company when it incorporated in 1899. Tough luck!

It's hardly surprising that those south of the border don't know much about football in Scotland when fans of our two largest supported clubs, along with our football authorities, think it only exists in a narrow corridor between Celtic Park and Ibrox. The English are still entirely oblivious to the death of Rangers in 2012, such is their lack of interest in Scottish football, allied to the creative reporting of events and rewriting of history by our trusty stenographers shortly after the event.

They're full of rank hypocrisy, claiming on the one hand that only an operating company can die, not an immortal metaphysical football club, but at the same time they accuse all the other SPL clubs of trying to kill their club back in 2012. I mean, make your f***ing minds up!

Congratulations. Apart from the fact that Rangers weren't "flung down the leagues," nor did they manage "to stay the same club," you got the rest of that sentence spot on. Charles Green applied to have his new club play in the SFL, having previously applied and failed to join the SPL, and eventually had his wish granted thanks to a vote by the other SFL clubs. A court of law has already determined that Rangers were not relegated/demoted (Albert Kinloch versus Coral bookmakers case) and the only other way they could've conceivably been "flung down the leagues" as you suggest, would've involved the league management committee convening a disciplinary meeting whose outcome punished them with a three-tier demotion, similar to the two-tier demotion dished out to Livingston two or three years earlier. No such disciplinary meeting ever took place, confirming Rangers were never relegated, demoted, illegally put down or flung down the leagues, no matter how many times you want to re-write history to suit your narrative. Many Scottish football clubs have become insolvent in the past, from Third Lanark in the 1960s right up to Hearts and Dunfermline more recently. There are only two ways in which a Scottish football club can survive insolvency; either by having the club bought out of administration, a method that involves the purchaser paying off existing debts (prohibitive multi-million pound debts in Rangers case), or by the club in administration reaching a pennies-in-the-pound agreement with its creditors. The latter method, involving successfully obtaining a CVA, is how Hearts, Dunfermline, Motherwell, Dundee and a host of other clubs survived insolvency as the same club. None of them went into liquidation as Rangers did. All of those clubs were businesses and companies, just like Rangers, but unlike Rangers, none of the other three clubs that went into liquidation (Third Lanark, Airdrieonians & Gretna) were of sufficient size to affect broadcasting and other important commercial contracts. Gretna 2008 play in front of the same fans at the same stadium and in the same colours as the defunct Gretna FC, but are categorically not the same club. What followed Rangers’ failure to exit administration will one day be made into a film or play, whether under the genre of farce or comedy. As soon as the CVA failed, the administrators, Duff & Phelps, and the Scottish football authorities conspired and contrived to paint the death by liquidation of Rangers as if a new owner had simply taken over the club, knowing that even the most deluded 500 million supporters in the universe would never follow follow a brand new club with neither a title or trophy to its name. The administrators’ initial description of “the purchase of the business and assets” morphed through necessity into “the purchase of the club” in order to get those fans onboard, while creative supposed journalists invented terms like 'engine room subsidiary' and 'holding company' when referencing a club they'd universally declared as simply dead. All of this because the football authorities had drafted the secretive five way agreement, whereby all the signatories were sworn to silence by non-disclosure agreements, in which a legal contract was signed which agreed to treat the new club as if it was the old defunct one. There is a world of difference between being treated as the same club and actually being it! Why was it necessary to draft a secret agreement in Rangers' case, when no other club's insolvency had required such a contract? What was it that made it unsuitable for public consumption? Well, we all know the answer to that, don't we? If the engine of my trusty motor suffers terminal mechanical failure, I might be fortunate enough to purchase an identical model of car in the exact same colour. I can even transfer the vehicle registration number over. It will not make it the same car as the one that died, however much I treat it as if it is. It is purely down to financial expediency that the current club playing out of Ibrox is being treated as if it was the club that died such an ignominious and self-inflicted death, all of it facilitated by a corrupt cabal of deceitful football authorities mired in vested interest and backed by all the other clubs in an embarrassing display of self-interest and self-preservation.

Much comment about the Celtic fans on the pitch at the end, but nobody seems to have noticed that Anthony Ralston inexplicably escaped a yellow card for leaping into the crowd after scoring. I'm not trying to be a killjoy as I can totally understand his spontaneous reaction, but the lack of a card does nothing to dispel the belief that rules and regulations only apply to the diddy clubs.