HTG

I'm voting Yes even though my job is with a UK Civil Service Dept. I can't watch this opportunity role past because there is a risk I won't get a transfer into a Scottish Govt Dept. If that was the outcome I'd go and work down there for the time it took to get a move back. I haven't read through the 13 pages on here but why anyone would think that a country with the history we have can't manage ourselves is beyond me. For a start, setting oil aside, the future is surely in harnessing wind and wave energy in a more effective way. Surrounded as we are by water on 3 sides, with our weather carrying a default setting of "shite" we are superbly placed going forward. We're a country of 5 million and we'll have more than enough to hit the export market. I really can't be done by folk saying we won't have a currency (like we're not going to use the pound or the euro). Of course we will. Common sense tells you that for trading purposes England would be sensible to share the pound given the cross border market. Folk might think that market isn't huge but when you see the reaction to when Ireland needed a wee hand you understand how important their economy was to London. I work with a fair few folk in the north of England and some of them would be quite content to row in beside us because they have no sense of community with those who make decisions on their behalf. Look at the people Scotland has produced. Look at the talent we have. We would punch well above our weight as a small country and we'd make a far better fist of things that the Italians, Spanish, Portuguese or Greeks. Anyone who can't see past the confusion of transition isn't looking hard enough. Let's get a govt we vote for and take decisions that we sign up to. I've yet to hear a positive reason for staying as we are that has carried any weight at all.

Hypothetical question. If shares are in the company rather than the club ... Could the company sell the club and use the profits to buy a different club - say Scunthorpe for example? The company could then change its name to The Scunthorpe United and the current shareholders in The Rangers would see their holding transferred to The Scunthorpe.

Aye.

At the risk of dog's abuse from my fraternal football chums, I will stick up for the place. Like any number of ex mining communities it has struggled to deal with the loss of its industry. That incudes its docks industry and iron foundry industry. It also struggles because the main road through the place doesn't go through the town centre. However, it has a many outstanding large, older houses and a decent stock of relatively new housing at lower prices than Linlithgow. It is easy to access the motorway or railway and it has a decent leisure centre. The pubs are not great but I've been to a lot worse places than Bo'ness. Its football team is honking right enough but that is compensated for by having a Lidl.

Leaseback

I suspect a lot of folk think Dingwall represents himself as much as organisations. Trouble is that so many people have jumped into bed with these people that everyone is now under suspicion. And whoever takes this on will need to be confident that they can show with some transparency that every part of the club is now theirs - team, stadium, Murray Park, merchandise, car park ... the lot. Can anyone say hand on heart that they know how it's all been chopped up?

He's not speaking for me either. This club and its supporters have ripped the pish out of us all and they've got the cheek to think they were hard done to. If or when they go again it will be because every time people like Jim Spence, Tom English, Graham Spiers and particularly Mark Daly told them what was coming they classed them as enemies of the club. Mark Daly should have been given the freedom of Govan for his work. Everyone is out to to harm to them. For long enough it was "Charles" this and "Charles" that because he was sticking it to the SFA, BBC and all the rest. He was protecting his investment long enough to rip the money out of them. Now he's a charlatan. Sheff Utd supporters told them that when he arrived but orange tops and all that guff was enough to keep them happy. Now everyone who comes into Rangers is going to need them to put their hand in their pocket just to survive in their current guise. No chance of a boycott now. The troughers have got them by the balls.

Which kills the club again. If the SFA had stepped in to stop the last stitch up they would have been slaughtered. Now it is everyone else's fault that these people are stripping the place. If the SFA insist on effective due diligence for the next lot then they will be slaughtered again. It's always everyone else's fault. They shouldn't have their current license but everyone has bent over to shoe them in. They will end up costing folk a lot of money and some will grow fat in the process.

Agreed.

Because if whoever is in charge pulls the plug then the club is fucked. There has to be a proper handover/buyout for a regime to change. You can put up all the banners you like but the hard facts are that someone needs to jump in and save the day. You can't just throw these people out - they may be mercenaries but they have Rangers well stitched. Until or unless they form a collective along the lines of Portsmouth or Swansea they will have no say. They will remain dependent on some other idiot hurling £50m or whatever down a drain for the "love" of the club. They won't get that this time. It would have been really useful to know why Trucker Bill walked away within about 36 hours of seeing the books. He knew about the potential of the tax case so I don't think that was what held him back. Rangers fans want a quick solution rather than the right solution because the thought of paying your debts and taking the time required to get back on an even keel is too unpalatable to their collective "dignity". Sorting this lot out and paying your way to the extent you can afford may take years and they won't have it. They are after all, the people.

This judge chap is heading swiftly for the list.

You're assuming he got off light!!! I was only about 10 when I mind watching him at Prestonfield and I harangued his every touch. Funnily enough he was a right back too - you're all the same!!!

My uncle played for Bathgate, Bo'ness and Grangemouth in the late 60s and through the 70s. My cousin won the junior cup with Whitburn and Linlithgow.

No. You've had a solid 24 hours of complete and utter fucknuggetry - well beyond your usual dismal standards. That's some achievement really.

I have no idea whether this is fact or indeed whether a conviction followed but if you were to apply your definition of unreasonable to your own support there would scarcely be a reasonable person in your stadium.

^^^ Hasn't made up his mind about Warne yet. Mibbes aye, mibbes naw ...

My daughter is due to start at Glasgow Caley in September. She waited for a while for the folk at the Halls to come back and confirm whether there was space for her. There isn't - at least not at Caledonian Court or Unite. I've seen there are still rooms available at Collegelands at Duke St. Has anyone stayed there? Is it decent and reasonable for walking to Caley - especially for a lassie on walking on her own at night?

Well the Australians can depart in the knowledge that they are one of the worst teams to compete in the Ashes. England were great in spells but never as consistent as they'd need to be against South Africa. And the pitches have been doctored and shit for cricket so that they suit England. I hate Australia but I wish England had beat them with a bit less assistance. They will win again in Australia though. They are minging.

Strange that when the BBC started to enlighten the masses on what Whyte was doing the supporters chose to get very upset with them rather than do something sensible about the allegations. I daresay a quick trawl through here would uncover any number of "Charles this and Charles that" stuff from you lot - especially when he was sticking it to the SFA and others. You're a bunch of "feed me grapes" wallopers and all these platitudes towards your support are a pile of crap. You deserve what comes because you've embraced every one of these c***s as your next saviour. Everything is built around some other c**t's money being piled in at a level that allows wages which dwarf anyone else apart from your sister club. Anything less is not acceptable to the supporters. You've reaped what you've sown.

Maybe I'm just a sentimental old fool but for me horrific club photos should focus on those who could look or behave differently but instead have made a roaring c**t of themselves. Ridiculing folk with a condition they may be unable to do anything about is not dece in my view - be as well ripping the pish out of people simply because they are in a wheelchair. Fair enough if they are in a wheelchair but have opted for an orange fake tan or whatever - wire into the choice of woodstain applied rather than the disability itself.

Does nobody in South Bucks have any interest in celebrating parliamentary democracy? I can't quite understand why the country with the greatest population of the UK seem to have scant disregard for such an event whilst those in specific geographical areas of these islands feel the need to make sure it is celebrated every year and not just on anniversary numbers. This celebration argument is the biggest lot of shite ever.It's bigots walking the streets looking like arseholes giving it a GIRUY to catholics - but only in geographical pockets of the land. Celebrate my arse.

I've just read through the last 2 or 3 pages of this thread and frankly it showed some courageous people doing their best to work through a range of difficult situations. This last wee session between Stand Free and Gerd Muller is absolutely dire. Stand Free, you could do us all a favour here - you made a point (badly) and at least tried to work through why you made it so badly before becoming side tracked and involved in a whole heap of shite that completely belittles how people are genuinely trying to use this thread for good. How about just doing the decent thing and not trying to have the very last word in competition with some other arsehole. I've never paid that much attention to your musings but wandering through bits and pieces of the GN forum you don't half attract (and invite) some amount of pish towards you. Why do you think that is?

I'm surprised they haven't arrived here yet to deal with lanky ffc!! I missed Linlithgow Marches for a number of years but I'm back into it now. I catch up with guys I haven't seen for years. There's always a tension around the shows as a result of stupid wee boys trying to get their tongue down someone else's stupid wee lassie (who is in no fit state to tell who's trying to bite her tonsils) and then there's local ned rivalries on top of that. But for the most part it's not bad. Folk get a bit pished, walk round the streets waving like fvck at everyone and then ignore each other for another 12 months. Braw!

Cow. Good riddance.

Lessons are never learned and corporate governance is never implemented. From Motherwell through to Rangers and now Dunfermline the same hand wringing goes on. The club is left to get on with making the best of the situation, people get shafted, there is a random points deduction which the football authorities see as them doing their bit. Actually history tells us that the football authorities are incredibly lax about punishing the advantage gained by poorly run clubs. Motherwell, Dundee, Livingston have all struggled with a very temporary blip and within a reasonably short space of time are back at the level they were before. Same will apply to Rangers. The authorities never - never ever - intervene up front. They never risk the wrath of the supporters and club officials who spin a pile of shite that everything is alright. If they'd intervened in Rangers at any stage - whether when White was buying the club or when it was evident he was making a royal cvnt of running it - they'd have got their head and hands to play with. He destroyed the old Rangers and even now their fans are after every other cvnt in Scottish football because it was their fault in some way. When this happens the only thing that will enable other clubs to learn lessons is if someone is finally expelled from the league. Anything else - points deduction, relegation or whatever - is just fannying about until the next shower of corporate wankers come along with a sob story. Expelling teams would focus a lot of minds and ensure that businessmen knew there was a real consequence to fucking about. It might also make supporters ask a few more questions and attend their AGMs where it is possible to do so.