Livingston - all the threads merged

[HibeeJibee]

Interesting that Rankine says he'll step away rather than damaging the club in relation to the SFA hearing.

Step away, or transfer his shares to his cocker spaniel, say?

There's no mention of these bonus payments in the accounts so was the money paid personally by Nixon?

The way I see it, the bonuses have been paid out of Nixon's own pocket (somehow) and the board have possibly only just clocked on to this.

If it was his cash which he paid to players directly, wouldn't he or they have been due any tax?

I mean if my local bakery produces excellent cakes and I provide some bonuses to the oven-men without telling the baker, it isn't the baker's fault.

Edited August 12, 2014 by HibeeJibee

[Big Ron Vlaar]

Look at all the diddy team fans coming on to rage over Livingston.

Love it when we're in the news for this kind of thing, we always get away with it and some of the absolute throbbers have themselves on the verge of a heart attack. Completely untouchable this time.

[Cowden til i die]

Dundee, Livingston and Rangers - not sure who to laugh at most. The small piece of comfort Livi can take is that they are not bigoted like the other two.

[Sergeant Wilson]

There comes a time when you need to admit things aren't working. There isn't enough interest in Livingston to maintain fulltime football. They could barely manage part time. Wind it up and support Livingston juniors, a couple of hundred at their gates would finance a decent team at that level.

Since Livi began it has attracted the worst shysters to slither through football. Everyone has had an angle to grab money, development land or both. Leave them to it.

[vikingTON]

Are they dead yet?

[Sergeant Wilson]

Are they dead yet?

Yes, just refusing to lie down.

[Rovers_Lad]

Yep, I thought we were bad, but you bunch take it to a whole new level.

your thought you were bad,you are in fact worse considering the trail of debt you lot left behind

[Crùbag]

Are they dead yet?

Hope Livi survive. Though, like many towns in Scotland, the local team would do better if the locals didn't follow one of the Ugly Sisters.

Edited August 12, 2014 by AnCrùbag

[Sergeant Wilson]

Hope Livi survive. Though, like many towns in Scotland, the local team would do better if the locals didn't follow one of the Ugly Sisters.

It's got f**k all to do with that.

[Burgerlugs]

Better watch yer glass house.,

More like pots and kettles...

[Big Ron Vlaar]

We're not in any danger of going out of business, we've just paid a few naughty bankhand bonuses.

My only concern is that the SPFL/SFA don't issue some OTT points deduction.

[Skyline Drifter]

If it was his cash which he paid to players directly, wouldn't he or they have been due any tax?

I mean if my local bakery produces excellent cakes and I provide some bonuses to the oven-men without telling the baker, it isn't the baker's fault.

Dreadful analogy. In your analogy you have no employment relationship to the over-men and it's tantamount to a testimonial. IF Nixon paid a bonus to the players, whether with his own cash or otherwise, then it would be interpreted to be in his capacity as their employer and for services rendered in employment. The club would be liable to operate PAYE on it.

[The ghost of Jim Morton]

Just close these fuckers down, once and for all, and be done with it. Nobody would care.

Well said Biggy. Two admins and there are now back in debt to the tune of £1.75 million.. Once is careless, twice is reckless and 3 timeswill be an utter disgrace.. They obviously are unable to grasp operating within their means..

[Yoss]

If it was his cash which he paid to players directly, wouldn't he or they have been due any tax?

I mean if my local bakery produces excellent cakes and I provide some bonuses to the oven-men without telling the baker, it isn't the baker's fault.

Well - unless you have some position of responsibility within the bakery - that wouldn't be bonuses, that's tips. Which have a slightly ambiguous tax position, but they're a different issue altogether.

If you *were* in management and to some degree responsible for the payment of their wages then yes, liability would almost certainly fall to the company, regardless of whether you'd kept it secret from some other board members (and even if you subsequently left).

Whether or not the players themselves would be liable would depend on whether they knew, or rather whether can reasonably be expected to have known, whether it was legit or not. If it was paid by the usual means and they were given payslips which appeared to show the appropriate tax deduction then they'd be fine. If they were given cash in paper bags and told to keep schtum then they'd likely be deemed culpable as well. (Though in practice it's probably the company that HMRC would go after.)

Edit: or what Skyline said, much more concisely.

Edited August 12, 2014 by Yoss

[Yoss]

First time I've looked at this thread for months. It's like catching up with an old friend.

[Ken Dodds Dads Dead Dog]

Livvy suck dog balls.

[BigRubberFist]

2004, 2009, 2014.

Might as well pencil admin 4.0 in for sometime in 2019.

[LIVIFOREVER]

More like pots and kettles...

Aye that too, he's got more brass than a brass band in that neck of his, coming on here with that patter.

You'd think they'd learn from the last time Dundee fans climbed on their wee moral high mound when we went into admin 2, about 5 minutes later they were joining us in an admin merry go round, and had to wipe the egg off their faces.

[LIVIFOREVER]

Fuckin hell, wish we could sell some tickets to come on this thread to view the Livi circus, we'd make enough to keep out of admin for a few more years.

[Yoss]

Must be about time duncan popped his head in.