Jilted John Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 The point is in Germany everyone’s not a a snowflake, this discussion is the most tin pot thing I have ever read, this might be the first time in the last decade that we have had a consistent atmosphere home and away and everyone here is calling for everyone promotion that atmosphere to be banned for setting off a flare and people falling over chairs, it’s ludicrous. Here’s an idea, how about we keep the singing but stop the flares? That way we still have the atmosphere but we keep within the law and don’t get the club into trouble. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 27 minutes ago, RRFC2000 said: The point is in Germany everyone’s not a a snowflake, this discussion is the most tin pot thing I have ever read, this might be the first time in the last decade that we have had a consistent atmosphere home and away and everyone here is calling for everyone promotion that atmosphere to be banned for setting off a flare and people falling over chairs, it’s ludicrous. You are picking a strange hill to die on with your argument. Quote 11. The following articles MUST NOT BE BROUGHT INTO THE GROUND prohibited weapons, knives, fireworks, smoke canisters, air-horns, flares, weapons, dangerous or hazardous items, laser devices, bottles, glass vessels, cans, poles and any article that might be used as a weapon and/or compromise public safety. It is an offence punishable by law and Unacceptable Conduct for any person to enter or attempt to enter the Ground whilst in possession of any article which is a firework or any article or substance whose purpose or any part of its purpose is the emission of a flare for purposes of illuminating or signalling or the emission of smoke and/or gas and any person in possession of such articles will be refused entry to the Ground and if having entered, to expulsion from the ground and such other sanction as may be determined by the Club/Event Organiser and reported to the Police. Quote It is an offence punishable by law http://www.raithrovers.net/ground-rules-regulations 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRFC2000 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Here’s an idea, how about we keep the singing but stop the flares? That way we still have the atmosphere but we keep within the law and don’t get the club into trouble. Since the section has been a thing 3 flares have been set off out of how many games? It’s not a regular occurrence, it’s such a tin pot thing to get angry about you don’t see any other club in Scotland’s wholeFan base go into outrage the second a flare is set off apart from us somehow? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rover the Moon Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 If any of you went to Germany to watch a game you would be in total outrage, 1 flare in the concourse and tears start pouring out, what would you do at a German game in all seriousness? Dial nein nein nein? 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Since the section has been a thing 3 flares have been set off out of how many games? It’s not a regular occurrence, it’s such a tin pot thing to get angry about you don’t see any other club in Scotland’s wholeFan base go into outrage the second a flare is set off apart from us somehow? Relax, chief. Pretty much everyone has said what the guys are doing is great. I didn’t see any comments at all about the flares/seats until the club pointed out they have to pay for it. That’s the main issue. Just don’t break seats and watch what you’re doing with the flares. It really is that simple. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevoraith Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Since the section has been a thing 3 flares have been set off out of how many games? It’s not a regular occurrence, it’s such a tin pot thing to get angry about you don’t see any other club in Scotland’s wholeFan base go into outrage the second a flare is set off apart from us somehow?You’re defeating your own argument here. If flares are used so seldom, what’s the problem with not using them at all?Singing massively helps (creates) the atmosphere - Keep doing it. Setting off flares can bring a bit to the atmosphere but is technically illegal and can get the club in trouble- stop using them. Breaking shit does nothing for the atmosphere. Stop it. It’s not difficult. Unless you’re saying that you can’t create an atmosphere without being destructive? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRFC2000 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 You’re defeating your own argument here. If flares are used so seldom, what’s the problem with not using them at all?Singing massively helps (creates) the atmosphere - Keep doing it. Setting off flares can bring a bit to the atmosphere but is technically illegal and can get the club in trouble- stop using them. Breaking shit does nothing for the atmosphere. Stop it. It’s not difficult. Unless you’re saying that you can’t create an atmosphere without being destructive?The only way you will stop the flares is by banning the whole section. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebanda's Handyman Services Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 People pointing out the grammar in a well-meaning statement from the young anes. There's always going to be the odd dafty or two in big groups; the more sensible ones just need to police them a bit better and try to instill a pride in the club and it's/their reputation. The positives of the YT far outweigh the negatives. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, RRFC2000 said: The only way you will stop the flares is by banning the whole section. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big Fifer Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Flares are class tbh. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottydog Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 26 minutes ago, RRFC2000 said: The only way you will stop the flares is by banning the whole section. Talk about throwing out the baby with the bathwater. I'm pretty sure they are illegal to bring into a football park in Scotland, so here's an idea what about if the Police actually did their job and arrested the folk with them? That'd stop this whole discussion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevoraith Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 The only way you will stop the flares is by banning the whole section. f**k me. We’re trying to help. Try to stop being so defensive and take on board some advice from older, wiser heads who’ve been where you are and really, really want you guys to succeed at making our club a more enjoyable place to spend a Saturday afternoon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebanda's Handyman Services Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 The South Stand Boys should add an air-horn to their repertoire. Good for putting opposition players off penaltys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, RRFC2000 said: If any of you went to Germany to watch a game you would be in total outrage, 1 flare in the concourse and tears start pouring out, what would you do at a German game in all seriousness? I was at the Olympiastadion two weeks ago and there wasn't a flare in sight. People were being searched for things like pyro on the way in too, so I think you're talking out your hoop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raith Against The Machine Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 In other, less tedious news, Jamie Gullan has scored four goals this afternoon against Huddersfield Reserves.It's half time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 25 minutes ago, Big Fifer said: Flares are class tbh. ^^^^^Ageing hippy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers_Lad Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Zen Archer Esq. said: You are picking a strange hill to die on with your argument. http://www.raithrovers.net/ground-rules-regulations 12. It is a criminal offence and UNACCEPTABLE CONDUCT for any person to enter or attempt to enter the Ground: 1 whilst in possession of a container or any other item which is or was capable of holding liquid or any other thing and which, if thrown, would be capable of causing injury to another person; 2 whilst in possession of alcohol; and/or 3 Whilst Drunk Dont think I,ve ever seen anyone at hospitality not drunk Edited February 18, 2020 by Rovers_Lad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, RRFC2000 said: If any of you went to Germany to watch a game you would be in total outrage, 1 flare in the concourse and tears start pouring out, what would you do at a German game in all seriousness? Well, yeah, smoke in an enclosed space is liable to cause tears. As for the Germany argument, I've been to a half dozen games over there, mostly St Pauli in Hamburg and while the fans tend to be very loud and very engaged they also self police quite ruthlessly. In the stadium nothing ever gets out of hand, no one ever steps out of line. They are choreographed by lads hanging off the crush barrier with megaphones. It's actually very regimented. Your group has the ability to stop flares, and other behaviours that bring negative focus on yourselves and the club. What you've got here is the difficult situation of whether you want to be a bunch of mates with no responsibility beyond your own personal conduct or be an actual fans group which gives you a certain amount of clout, makes it easier to sustain and grow and organise but also comes with a group responsibility to uphold a minimum level of conduct. There is no point dying on a hill about flares and broken seats, neither is is going to win you friends in the support or the club, neither, surely is the difference for you between a good day out or not. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildrover Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 17 minutes ago, Rovers_Lad said: 12. It is a criminal offence and UNACCEPTABLE CONDUCT for any person to enter or attempt to enter the Ground: 1 whilst in possession of a container or any other item which is or was capable of holding liquid or any other thing and which, if thrown, would be capable of causing injury to another person; 2 whilst in possession of alcohol; and/or 3 Whilst Drunk Dont think I,ve ever seen anyone at hospitality not drunk You're also not allowed to swear at the football, tbf I can't ever remember swearing or being drunk at the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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