Procycling thread

[chico]

CHEAT!!

Re-awarding the TdF titles should be interesting.

Who was clean in that era?

Armstrong should own up. He owes it to those mugs that bought those plastic wristbands.

Edited August 24, 2012 by chico

[peasy23]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19364384

lulz

Do the USADA actually have the authority to strip him of anything? Thought that would have to come from the UCI or Le Tour itself?

[drs]

Good comment from The Grauniad -

The moral of the story is that if a cyclist looks too good to be true, then he probably is. But if a cyclist looks too good to be true and has an entourage of lawyers, press flaks, doctors and bodyguards, then he definitely is.

[myshkin]

I'm so happy for Christophe Bassons and Fillipo Simeone today. They were right all along and must feel great at the vindication.

Just think, if other had shown the same sort of fortitude and backbone as those two did, bike racing might not be the rotten swamp that it was and continues to be.

f**k Lance Armstrong, his acolytes and his wee yellow wrist bands.

[Jimmy Shaker]

CHEAT!!

Re-awarding the TdF titles should be interesting.

Who was clean in that era?

Armstrong should own up. He owes it to those mugs that bought those plastic wristbands.

Good luck redistributing his honours.

1999

1. Lance Armstrong

2. Alex Zülle (‘98 busted for EPO)

3. Fernando Escartín (Systematic team doping exposed in ‘04)

4. Laurent Dufaux (‘98 busted for EPO)

5. Ángel Casero (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

2000

1. Lance Armstrong

2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

3. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

4. Christophe Moraue (‘98 busted for EPO)

5. Roberto Heras (‘05 busted for EPO)

2001

1. Lance Armstrong

2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

3. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

4. Andrei Kivilev

5. Igor González de Galdeano (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

2002

1. Lance Armstrong

2. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

3. Raimondas Rumšas (Suspended in ‘03 for doping)

4. Santiago Botero (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

5. Igor González de Galdeano (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

2003

1. Lance Armstrong

2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

3. Alexander Vinokourov (Suspended in ‘07 for CERA)

4. Tyler Hamilton (Suspended ‘04 for blood doping)

5. Haimar Zubeldia

2004

1. Lance Armstrong

2. Andreas Kloden (Named in doping case in ‘08)

3. Ivan Basso (Suspended in ‘07 for Operacion Puerto ties)

4. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

5. Jose Azevedo (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

2005

1. Lance Armstrong

2. Ivan Basso (Suspended in ‘07 for Operacion Puerto ties)

3. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

4. Fransico Mancebo (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

5. Alexander Vinokourov (Suspended in ‘07 for CERA)

Source

[THE KING]

Listened to David Walsh on SSN about this ,,, stripped of everything he's ever won , on of the most cynical drug cheats in the history of sport

[peasy23]

Listened to David Walsh on SSN about this ,,, stripped of everything he's ever won , on of the most cynical drug cheats in the history of sport

I listened to the woman who was formerly head of the British anti doping agency on BBC, she thinks there is a long way to go yet before he is actually stripped of anything.

[Jimmy Shaker]

Whats the reason the USADA are chasing him so hard?

[MOTD Wannabee]

,,, stripped of everything he's ever won ...

'The Sun and Prince Harry' thread for this pi... Oh wait, sorry...

[chico]

Good luck redistributing his honours.

1999

1. Lance Armstrong

2. Alex Zülle (‘98 busted for EPO)

3. Fernando Escartín (Systematic team doping exposed in ‘04)

4. Laurent Dufaux (‘98 busted for EPO)

5. Ángel Casero (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

2000

1. Lance Armstrong

2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

3. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

4. Christophe Moraue (‘98 busted for EPO)

5. Roberto Heras (‘05 busted for EPO)

2001

1. Lance Armstrong

2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

3. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

4. Andrei Kivilev

5. Igor González de Galdeano (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

2002

1. Lance Armstrong

2. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

3. Raimondas Rumšas (Suspended in ‘03 for doping)

4. Santiago Botero (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

5. Igor González de Galdeano (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

2003

1. Lance Armstrong

2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

3. Alexander Vinokourov (Suspended in ‘07 for CERA)

4. Tyler Hamilton (Suspended ‘04 for blood doping)

5. Haimar Zubeldia

2004

1. Lance Armstrong

2. Andreas Kloden (Named in doping case in ‘08)

3. Ivan Basso (Suspended in ‘07 for Operacion Puerto ties)

4. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

5. Jose Azevedo (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

2005

1. Lance Armstrong

2. Ivan Basso (Suspended in ‘07 for Operacion Puerto ties)

3. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

4. Fransico Mancebo (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

5. Alexander Vinokourov (Suspended in ‘07 for CERA)

Source

Yup saw a tweet to that effect.

Big Jan has also came out and said he's not for claiming them either

[saints1884]

Has anyone been watching the highlights on ITV? Who the hell picked them to do the commentary on the race?

[kiddy]

Has anyone been watching the highlights on ITV? Who the hell picked them to do the commentary on the race?

They usually comment on the British scene for ITV4, think they've done Eurosport too, their monotone drawl sends you to sleep.

Makes Liggett & Sherwin sound interesting!

[kiddy]

Good luck redistributing his honours.

1999

1. Lance Armstrong

2. Alex Zülle (‘98 busted for EPO)

3. Fernando Escartín (Systematic team doping exposed in ‘04)

4. Laurent Dufaux (‘98 busted for EPO)

5. Ángel Casero (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

2000

1. Lance Armstrong

2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

3. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

4. Christophe Moraue (‘98 busted for EPO)

5. Roberto Heras (‘05 busted for EPO)

2001

1. Lance Armstrong

2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

3. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

4. Andrei Kivilev

5. Igor González de Galdeano (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

2002

1. Lance Armstrong

2. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

3. Raimondas Rumšas (Suspended in ‘03 for doping)

4. Santiago Botero (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

5. Igor González de Galdeano (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

2003

1. Lance Armstrong

2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

3. Alexander Vinokourov (Suspended in ‘07 for CERA)

4. Tyler Hamilton (Suspended ‘04 for blood doping)

5. Haimar Zubeldia

2004

1. Lance Armstrong

2. Andreas Kloden (Named in doping case in ‘08)

3. Ivan Basso (Suspended in ‘07 for Operacion Puerto ties)

4. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

5. Jose Azevedo (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

2005

1. Lance Armstrong

2. Ivan Basso (Suspended in ‘07 for Operacion Puerto ties)

3. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

4. Fransico Mancebo (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

5. Alexander Vinokourov (Suspended in ‘07 for CERA)

Source

Going 6-10

99

6 Abraham Olano (ESP) ONCE +16' 47"

7 Daniele Nardello (ITA) Mapei +17' 02"

8 Richard Virenque (FRA) Polti +17' 28"

9 Wladimir Belli (ITA) Festina +17' 37"

10 Andrea Peron (ITA) ONCE +23' 10"

00

6 Richard Virenque (FRA) Polti +13' 26"

7 Santiago Botero (COL) Kelme +14' 18"

8 Fernando Escartín (ESP) Kelme +17' 21"

9 Francisco Mancebo (ESP) Banesto +18' 09"

10 Daniele Nardello (ITA) Mapei +18' 25"

01

6 François Simon (FRA) Bonjour +17' 22"

7 Óscar Sevilla (ESP) Kelme +18' 30"

8 Santiago Botero (COL) Kelme +20' 55"

9 Marcos Antonio Serrano (ESP) ONCE +21' 45"

10 Michael Boogerd (NED) Rabobank +22' 38"

02

6 José Azevedo (POR) ONCE +15' 44"

7 Francisco Mancebo (ESP) iBanesto.com +16' 05"

8 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Rabobank +17' 11"

9 Roberto Heras (ESP) US Postal Service +17' 12"

10 Carlos Sastre (ESP) Team CSC +19' 05"

03

6 Iban Mayo (ESP) Euskaltel +7' 06"

7 Ivan Basso (ITA) Fassa Bortolo +10' 12"

8 Christophe Moreau (FRA) Crédit Agricole +12' 28"

9 Carlos Sastre (ESP) Team CSC +18' 49"

10 Francisco Mancebo (ESP) iBanesto.com +19' 15"

04

6 Francisco Mancebo (ESP) Illes Balears-Banesto-Santander +18' 01"

7 Georg Totschnig (AUT) Gerolsteiner +18' 27"

8 Carlos Sastre (ESP) Team CSC +19' 51"

9 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Rabobank +20' 12"

10 Óscar Pereiro (ESP) Phonak +22' 54"

05

6 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Gerolsteiner +11' 21"

7 Michael Rasmussen (DEN) Rabobank +11' 33"

8 Cadel Evans (AUS) Davitamon-Lotto +11' 55"

9 Floyd Landis (USA) Phonak +12' 44"

10 Óscar Pereiro (ESP) Phonak +16' 04"

11 Christophe Moreau (FRA) Crédit Agricole +16' 26"

[Desert Nomad]

Not one clean rider among them IMO. People will point to Sastre, but any involvement with Riis is highly suspect.

When is the stage of La Vuelta into Andorra? It's the next mountain stage before next weekends epic triple header.

[T_S_A_R]

to me 2008 was the cleanest recent year due to all the shit had gone on the years before with puerto, rasmussen and vino. all the cera users got busted and stood out like a sore thumb.

the pivotal stage of that tour is what clean racing should look like. csc's 3 proper climbers isolated evans and the schleck's double teamed him while sastre slipped away to climb into yellow at a steady pace. i wouldn't bet on sastre being clean but the context and events of that tour make me think he is definitely the 'cleanest' recent winner.

[Skyline Drifter]

Armstrong should own up. He owes it to those mugs that bought those plastic wristbands.

f**k Lance Armstrong, his acolytes and his wee yellow wrist bands.

You do realise the wristbands are about beating cancer and thinking about those who have it, not winning the TdF or anything to do with cycling right?

The association with Armstrong right now is unfortunate, the rationale behind them is as valid as ever though. I wear one and will continue to do so.

[kiddy]

to me 2008 was the cleanest recent year due to all the shit had gone on the years before with puerto, rasmussen and vino. all the cera users got busted and stood out like a sore thumb.

the pivotal stage of that tour is what clean racing should look like. csc's 3 proper climbers isolated evans and the schleck's double teamed him while sastre slipped away to climb into yellow at a steady pace. i wouldn't bet on sastre being clean but the context and events of that tour make me think he is definitely the 'cleanest' recent winner.

IMO the only clean winner in a generation is Óscar Pereiro. The pivotal stage of the 2006 tour being 13. When Landis Team Phonak let OP turn a 28 min defecit, into a 2 min advantage, whilst forgetting that the guy could climb & the rest, as they say, is history.

[kiddy]

You do realise the wristbands are about beating cancer and thinking about those who have it, not winning the TdF or anything to do with cycling right?

The association with Armstrong right now is unfortunate, the rationale behind them is as valid as ever though. I wear one and will continue to do so.

I take it they were only coloured yellow down to him being scared of dying from this horrible disease?

[kiddy]

When is the stage of La Vuelta into Andorra? It's the next mountain stage before next weekends epic triple header.

mañana

[Desert Nomad]

IMO the only clean winner in a generation is Óscar Pereiro. The pivotal stage of the 2006 tour being 13. When Landis Team Phonak let OP turn a 28 min defecit, into a 2 min advantage, whilst forgetting that the guy could climb & the rest, as they say, is history.

Oscar Pereiro clean? Don't be so stupid.