Swampy Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Dear Swampy, Ad Lib, and VikingTon. Sod off and posture somewhere else. How am I posturing, like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Freud Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Unbelievable level of horseshit. Is there, btw, a reason for 'fearing seperatism' other than doe-eyed sentimentality? Is it? What is your understanding of the contribution of the Darien project? Genuinely interested as it has always been my understanding that it was at least a contributing factor, if not the mian one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 How am I posturing, like? This is a fair point. I would like to revise my previous statement to "vikingTON is" instead of "They are" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Is it? What is your understanding of the contribution of the Darien project? Genuinely interested as it has always been my understanding that it was at least a contributing factor, if not the mian one. The contribution of the Darien project was from a political perspective, it formed a body of popular outrage in Scotland behind the Country Party and led to the very stormy Election of 1702, which the Court 'loses' as much as it feasibly could. The Scottish Parliament overstepped the pragmatic boundary by keeping the Succession question open as a gambit for trade concessions and liberties, as well as asserting its sovereignty as a seperate state and to some extent, over the monarch. The English saw above all the demand for free trade as an offence, saw the unresolved succession as a strategic headache and moved much in its power to push through Union. The economic argument is a massive busted flush because it relies on official trade data indicating poverty for a kingdom that smuggled like crazy. Plus the dates don't match (recovery by 1703, Darien failed by 1702), and a union negotiation had broken down in 1702 because the Scots wanted greater benefits. Above all, Scots were far more engaged in regular trade between the Atlantic and our ports than the Darien scheme, it was a sideshow to the main focus. I say this with two copies of my 'The significance of the failure of the Darien scheme in determining the Union' speel on my very desk. Edit: for reading, i'd suggest 'Union and Empire' by Allan Macinnes, you're correct in that one of the traditional viewpoints cites the economics as a driver. It's IMO a bogus argument. We see no change in Scottish trade or fortunes for a good half century after the Union as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted April 1, 2011 Author Share Posted April 1, 2011 How am I posturing, like? You three do a good impression of the Vogue video at times. Obviously, Ad Lib is Madonna, but that makes you and VT the gay dancers, throwing shapes, demonstrating knowledge, and splitting hairs in three million bit sized quotes! I've been skimming your posts on this, so I may have unfairly lumped you in with the other two. Meh, whatever. Is it? What is your understanding of the contribution of the Darien project? Genuinely interested as it has always been my understanding that it was at least a contributing factor, if not the mian one. It was a big one, but bear in mind that the English refused to let others contribute to funding, if I recall rightly, even the Dutch ambassador was given a bollocking by the English for showing support to the Scotch. Others better informed than me will be able to say more, but when we got there and fell into hard times, orders got sent through from England that all the surrounding colonies were not to trade with us under any circumstances. So the English at the time did everything they possibly could to stop the project, and when that failed, they then tried to make it fail by any means necessary. And then our friendly and benevolent neighbours were there to pick up the pieces. The colony may well have failed anyway, no doubt it wasn't prepared properly, and other colonies had failed before, but they were really denied any chance of surviving by English intervention. Edited to add, I should add that VikingTon seems far more up to speed than me on this, so I bow to his knowledge on the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 The English malevolence part is absolutely correct, but the failure's effects are grossly overstated. But the Crown needed a Scotland that could be controlled, with or without parliament but definitely the Succession. After 1702 they have a hostile Scottish Parliament so union is the card to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 So to draw it baaack to the Guardian, he is wrong because: 1. The 'banking crash' wasn't really related to Darien 2. It wasn't a banking crash in the sense that deposits weren't lost 3. The economics of Darien did not contribute to Union So wrong, wrong wrong basis for the article all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 You three do a good impression of the Vogue video at times. Obviously, Ad Lib is Madonna, but that makes you and VT the gay dancers, throwing shapes, demonstrating knowledge, and splitting hairs in three million bit sized quotes! I've been skimming your posts on this, so I may have unfairly lumped you in with the other two. Meh, whatever. Even if you didn't (and you did), this is the bloody politics thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Law Stud Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 There's a minor ailments scheme with a lot of the chemists where if you register with them you get stuff like Calpol for free. I don't think it is widely advertised though but it's there. We used to go through shitloads of the stuff for the kids and it was good to get it for nothing. Is that another SNP initiative? It honestly is pointless though. Free prescriptions for those who can afford medicine is a complete waste of money and if it's costing the Welsh government £30m you can bet it'll be costing Holyrood £60m per annum at least. As I've said a far better way to do it would be to charge £20 admission to see your GP but if he deems you sick you'll get the medications you need for free. The net result would be empty doctors waiting rooms and a much more efficient health service - as well as a substantial return for the treasury in reduced costs and increased revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chico Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 % of students satisfied % satisfied with teaching % satisfied with feedback student to staff ratio spend per student (FTE) average entry tariff value added score and job after 6 months. % satisfied with... FFS!! Satisfied!! They're there to fucking learn, not have a customer 'experience'. Cuntos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 % satisfied with... FFS!! Satisfied!! They're there to fucking learn, not have a customer 'experience'. Cuntos. Yeah, because learning and satisfaction are like, totally unrelated. Embittered university of life types should really f**k off from the election thread because their contribution to the discourse is the doctrine that everyone's life needs to be as shite as theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chico Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Yeah, because learning and satisfaction are like, totally unrelated. Embittered university of life types should really f**k off from the election thread because their contribution to the discourse is the doctrine that everyone's life needs to be as shite as theirs. I wish I'd did University of Life rather than getting a degree. Fucking boring shite, but got me a job paying my taxes for prissy fucks that want a life experience. Bawbags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Law Stud Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 % satisfied with... FFS!! Satisfied!! They're there to fucking learn, not have a customer 'experience'. Cuntos. Whilst I totally agree Chico those league tables are the only fair comparison of measures that is out there. They are equally accepted by left and right wing media, and the Universities quote those tables when it suits them. Thing is this time round it doesn't fit the Nats agenda. Scottish Universities are shown to be slumping down the table despite the fact that the education is being fully funded by the taxpayer. It's a rate of decline that will only escalate as the size of the budget available to the Scottish Parliament shrinks with the inevitable impact on our further education establishments whilst the English will plug their deficits and go into surplus using tuition fees. I'm sure soon there will be students at John Moores University who will be laughing at those studying at Glasgow University calling them London Met rejects..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Yet the Guardian ranks it as 27th. Oh and while I'm at it, just to illustrate the point. Edinburgh fell 8 places. Glasgow fell 6 places. Dundee fell 3 places. Herriott Watt fell 10 places. and Napier fell 12 places. Again, this is all pre the English Universities introducing a £9,000 per year charge rate that is going to really move them well ahead as funded and equipped universities in coming years. ...and you still haven't got a degree. Shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Law Stud Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 ...and you still haven't got a degree. Shame. I know. I cry my eyes out about it every pay day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 I know. I cry my eyes out about it every pay day. It obviously bothers you though. Perhaps, like others in your situation, you try to make yourself feel better by reading books and trying to gen up on current affairs, while slagging off people who have studied and achieved a degree. I notice a few posts from people about how easy it is to get a degree. Despite how "easy" it is, quite a few of these punters still don't have one. What does that say about them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Law Stud Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 It obviously bothers you though. Perhaps, like others in your situation, you try to make yourself feel better by reading books and trying to gen up on current affairs, while slagging off people who have studied and achieved a degree. I notice a few posts from people about how easy it is to get a degree. Despite how "easy" it is, quite a few of these punters still don't have one. What does that say about them? Perhaps, like me, they've never needed one. I don't see too many of us uneducated older blokes complaining about our lives on the other thread. All appear to be rather content with their lot. Indeed quite a few appear to have cleared off all their debts, own their property outright, amd seem quite happy and settled both in their careers and in their family lives. If anything it looks like the real bitterness comes from those who either plan to go to Uni when they are old enough, who are working towards getting this degree but who are uncertain of where their lives will go after that, or those who are graduates who are struggling to find work either in their chosen field, or as teachers. You don't need to look too hard to find the over the top vitreol that was aimed at Reynard for being a self employed picture framer to see what I mean. As for me not having a degree bothering me - how do you work that out? Is it because I don't think it's fair that a dinner lady or a refuse collector be expected to fund your education? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 How hard is it to find out any information on what the independents are standign for? There are 3 standing for the list MSPs in NE Scotland but none of them even have a webpage. I will probably vote for them as my 2nd choice after SNP simply because there are no other parties I could possibly stand. Tory - Not likely. Labour - Never in a million years Lib Dem - Blew it when they dropped their principles as soon as they got a whiff of power. SNP - The only choice I think but Salmond is still a grade A cock. Pensioners Party - No. BNP - f**k no Green - I prefer to have a car thanks very much. And a job in the oil industry. National Front - Strange that they are splitting the far right racist nutter vote considering ther BNP only got about 2,700 votes last time. Scottish Socialists - No. Socialist Labour - No Solidarity - No. Splitting the far left nutters is even funnier than splitting the far right nutters vote. Typica lof the socialists. Christian Party - What is this? A nutters convention. Religion should have no place in politics (or an enlightened country come to that) UKIP - Possibly. I was pro -Europe up until very recently but I'm changing my mind. What a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Perhaps, like me, they've never needed one. I don't see too many of us uneducated older blokes complaining about our lives on the other thread. All appear to be rather content with their lot. Indeed quite a few appear to have cleared off all their debts, own their property outright, amd seem quite happy and settled both in their careers and in their family lives. If anything it looks like the real bitterness comes from those who either plan to go to Uni when they are old enough, who are working towards getting this degree but who are uncertain of where their lives will go after that, or those who are graduates who are struggling to find work either in their chosen field, or as teachers. You don't need to look too hard to find the over the top vitreol that was aimed at Reynard for being a self employed picture framer to see what I mean. As for me not having a degree bothering me - how do you work that out? Is it because I don't think it's fair that a dinner lady or a refuse collector be expected to fund your education? That was Vikington. He seemed to be sneering at me for being an uneducated manual worker. He was wrong on both counts. Fair enough I don't trumpet about the fact I studied, but he is completely ignorant of what I actually do for a living. Which is fair enough. Less than 3% of the population will ever go near a picture framers. And my market share is a tiny fraction of that. Never mind, I have a full order book well into the autumn. So I must be doing at least something right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Green - I prefer to have a car thanks very much. And a job in the oil industry. What a choice. The very reason i will not be voting for them this year. I know it should not come as surprise to me that they are anti car/road. But their opposition to the Forth crossing is crazy. And as someone who works in Logistics the roads are my livelihood. Oh and there love of the Trams. The final nail in the coffin (bamboo of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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