calum_gers Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 It supports my view: The whole thing's messy. There's evidence to suggest that what we have is new; there's evidence to say it's not. Neither of the absolutist views is entirely satisfactory. For me, there's been a continuation, but it's not been seamless. It's almost like nobody outside Scotland particularly cares. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 It's almost like nobody outside Scotland particularly cares. Since your club plays in Scotland, nobody outside Scotland's opinion really matters - they'll never get a chance to laugh at you like we do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Fcuk does Fifa know! If Philip macgilligan says its a new club then its a new club. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 But FIFA have now rejected those claims as they promote the latest edition of their weekly magazine saying: “After their enforced relegation in 2012, Glasgow Rangers are in the hunt for promotion back to Scotland’s top flight.” Now that FIFA state that Rangers were relegated to the 4th tier should we also now be told the vote to allow Rangers to compete in League 3 never happened?. Astonishing revisionism or a lack of knowledge on the subject? The infamous 5 way agreement states that the CAS's viewpoint is the final word. In a similar case the CAS stated "Pursuant to this rule, clubs are not allowed to change their legal form or structure in order to obtain a licence, simply by 'cleaning up' their balance sheet while offloading debts onto a new entity that might potentially go bankrupt – thus harming creditors (including employees and social/tax authorities) as well as threatening the integrity of sporting competition. Any such alteration of a club's legal form or structure is deemed to be an interruption to its membership of a UEFA member association" So the SPL, SFL, SFA, Rangers and Sevco all agreed to that statement. Same club, possibly, restarted SFA membership, a certainty. So we have two timelines, before liquidation (BL) and post liquidation (PL). The counting restarts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 There is a club in Glasgow called AXM, used to be called Bennetts, everyone still calls it Bennetts, even though it's a new club. New club it is then, that blows the Fifa statement well oot the water. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 New club it is then, that blows the Fifa statement well oot the water. It wasn't a FIFA statement. It was an article in FIFA's online magazine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 The infamous 5 way agreement states that the CAS's viewpoint is the final word. In a similar case the CAS stated "Pursuant to this rule, clubs are not allowed to change their legal form or structure in order to obtain a licence, simply by 'cleaning up' their balance sheet while offloading debts onto a new entity that might potentially go bankrupt – thus harming creditors (including employees and social/tax authorities) as well as threatening the integrity of sporting competition. Any such alteration of a club's legal form or structure is deemed to be an interruption to its membership of a UEFA member association" So the SPL, SFL, SFA, Rangers and Sevco all agreed to that statement. Same club, possibly, restarted SFA membership, a certainty. So we have two timelines, before liquidation (BL) and post liquidation (PL). The counting restarts. That's where we've got it all wrong. They offloaded the debts onto the old entity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 It wasn't a FIFA statement. It wasn't a FIFA statement. It was an article in FIFA's online magazine. "The statement comes a matter of months after SPFL chief Neil Doncaster also stated that Rangers are the same club when he said: Doncaster said: “In terms of the question about old club, new club, that was settled very much by the Lord Nimmo Smith commission that was put together by the SPL to look at EBT payments at that time" Not a statement they said.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 "The statement comes a matter of months after SPFL chief Neil Doncaster Those are the Daily Record's words. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 That's where we've got it all wrong. They offloaded the debts onto the old entity. They did however change their legal structure which the first paragraph states is not allowed under UEFA rules if done to avoid debts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Those are the Daily Record's words. Fcuk do they know, bloody stenographers...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 No FIFA statement then? The article was about the Fifa statement but they are part of the SMSM so you'll disregard it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Completely disregarded it lol, what a surprise, never saw that one coming. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik's tongue Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Put up the FIFA statement, shouldn't be hard. Wait... has bennett made yet another rip roaring c**t of himself here? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 (edited) Clonmel could always provide evidence to prove that the record and other papers lied and Fifa said no such thing. The floor is clonmels.... Edited January 24, 2016 by bennett -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 (edited) "Rangers are pure the same team an r'at" Sepp (***) Blatter "Rangers are no' the same team and are pure deid an r'at" Michel (******) Platini Take your pick, bhoys and boys. Edited January 24, 2016 by Jacksgranda 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 As stoney has already pointed out, it was an article from an online FIFA magazine. The floor is now yours..FIFA statement please. I'm happy with the article regarding Fifa's statement, its up to you prove that the record in your opinion got it wrong. Or you could help pay for another advert.... -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Simply, as MT says, that all the "official" bodies take their lead from the relevant FA. Which, in this case, means a body led by a man who was himself a beneficiary of rangers' shady practises. I'll continue to go with legal verdicts delivered in actual courtrooms. It was 'The King' who said that WRK, not me. You're both totally right on this though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 It's almost like nobody outside Scotland particularly cares. Absolutely. That fact is further reflected in the carelessness evident in the article from the FIFA magazine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 (edited) I'm happy with the article regarding Fifa's statement, its up to you prove that the record in your opinion got it wrong. Or you could help pay for another advert.... Oh Bennett. You're such a pillock at times.It wasn't a statement. It was covered as such by a newspaper whose coverage of the entire saga has been rather a joke, whichever side you find yourself on. The article is error ridden enough to be of no consequence. The decision to officially recognise continuation has been reached by our own governing bodies who have vested interests in doing so. As Calum said, nobody overseas is that fussy. They're happy to take a lead from what's being said here. Continuation remains a guddle. Edited January 24, 2016 by Monkey Tennis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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