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Is there anywhere I can read that statement in its entirety?

It sure does look like UEFA have clarified the new club situation but it may be clever editing.

It would be nice to put this discussion to bed.
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5 minutes ago, Sting777 said:

Come in Nacho, Come in Nacho. Your audience awaits with bated breath...lol

He's away back to swallow swallow to find out how to spin UEFA stating..

 

"Following upon the administration of the club

  • a “new club/company” was formed"

 

 

 

offffft

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17 minutes ago, stonedsailor said:

 

 


Is there anywhere I can read that statement in its entirety?

It sure does look like UEFA have clarified the new club situation but it may be clever editing.

It would be nice to put this discussion to bed.

 

 

No.

As stated it'll be dumped when the dialogue with uefa is complete.

 

 

 

I like this summary though :)

 

 

"

a repeat of my last word from CQN.

Maybe I’m too negative, but why allow some ambiguity to remain with the ” club/company” reference?


They’ve never denied it was a new company. This wording leaves wriggle room in my opinion.
================================

The ambiguity is from an misunderstanding (deliberate?) of UEFA Article 12.

Chapter 2: Licence Applicant and Licence

Article 12 – Definition of licence applicant

1 A licence applicant may ONLY be a football CLUB, i.e. a legal entity fully responsible
for a football team participating in national and international competitions which
either:

a) is a registered member of a UEFA member association and/or its affiliated
league (hereinafter: registered member); or

b) has a contractual relationship with a registered member (hereinafter: football
company).

2 The membership and the contractual relationship (if any) must have lasted – at
the start of the licence season – for at least three consecutive years. Any
alteration to the club’s legal form or company structure (including, for example,
changing its headquarters, name or club colours, or transferring stakeholdings
between different clubs) during this period in order to facilitate its qualification on
sporting merit and/or its receipt of a licence to the detriment of the integrity of a
competition is deemed as an interruption of membership or contractual
relationship (if any) within the meaning of this provision
=================

In Europe clubs can be a) or b) and at present the club operating from Ibrox looks like its b) if RIFC have a contractual relationship with TRFC.

RIFC do not have a contractual relationship with RFC 1872 so if they apply they are a new club/company under b)

If TRFC apply they are a new club under a).

UEFA had to cover the current construct in their reply to make the point neither a) nor b) would face sanctions because to UEFA they are “new”.

If they are not “new” UEFA would have sanctioned them in 2012 for breaches in 2011.

RFC 1872 were not sanctioned and TRFC/RIFC were not eligible for three years because they are new.


I’ll say no more on this use of the term “company” to mean anything other than what UEFA intend for its not what Res12 was about. An unforeseen consequence, a question that was never asked and what UEFA volunteered by way of explaining no sanction in 2011."

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Link to PERSISTENCE RESOLUTION 12 – OFFICIAL UPDATE

 

Note: They have quoted the relevant part from the solicitors letter, there is no "UEFA statement" per se. It is simply the relevant answer from the to legal questions.

They are "a new club/company" ... they cannot make it simpler.

 

Pray for Nacho.



Can't be true. That's the same rubbish I have been quoting time and time again in this thread.

Should I feel vindicated?
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Just now, stonedsailor said:

 


Can't be true. That's the same rubbish I have been quoting time and time again in this thread.

Should I feel vindicated?

 

Not sure.  Does Vindicated want to be felt?

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7 minutes ago, German Jag said:

So the lyrics should be the slash my father wore?

Played by a fuzzy haired top hatted guitarist.

 

This new evidence has us bang to rights, can't argue with a /.

 

 

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Nah, I'm not accepting this until Nacho comments.




Do you think this is true? Do you think there is a document somewhere in which UEFA describe Rangers as a "new club/company"?

I will miss all the debates and mental gymnastics if so. :(
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3 minutes ago, stonedsailor said:

 

 


Do you think this is true? Do you think there is a document somewhere in which UEFA describe Rangers as a "new club/company"?

I will miss all the debates and mental gymnastics if so. :(

 

 

 

Unless CQN are telling a huge porkie or indulging in some very selective quoting, it would appear that there is.  There's some discussion over what the slash means -'club or company' versus 'club and company'.  

 

I'm not sure it makes much difference, to be honest: either interpretation suggests that the entity that was a member of UEFA no longer exists.

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