Ken Fitlike Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 one of nacho's Credible Sources though 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Fitlike Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 That's about 4000 pages of BRALT pretty much superfluous.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Is the actual letter from UEFA available to read online? I had a quick check on the CQN site but it only shows their summary, not the original document. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sting777 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 (edited) Looks like it's s big ................. for Nacho....lol Edited July 9, 2016 by Sting777 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Another analysis of the statement Is there anywhere I can read that statement in its entirety? It sure does look like UEFA have clarified the new club situation but it may be clever editing.It would be nice to put this discussion to bed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Fitlike Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 nacho to thread 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sting777 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Come in Nacho, Come in Nacho. Your audience awaits with bated breath...lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 5 minutes ago, Sting777 said: Come in Nacho, Come in Nacho. Your audience awaits with bated breath...lol He's away back to swallow swallow to find out how to spin UEFA stating.. "Following upon the administration of the club a “new club/company” was formed" offffft 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njord Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 17 minutes ago, stonedsailor said: Is there anywhere I can read that statement in its entirety? It sure does look like UEFA have clarified the new club situation but it may be clever editing. It would be nice to put this discussion to bed. No. As stated it'll be dumped when the dialogue with uefa is complete. I like this summary though " a repeat of my last word from CQN. Maybe I’m too negative, but why allow some ambiguity to remain with the ” club/company” reference? They’ve never denied it was a new company. This wording leaves wriggle room in my opinion. ================================ The ambiguity is from an misunderstanding (deliberate?) of UEFA Article 12. Chapter 2: Licence Applicant and Licence Article 12 – Definition of licence applicant 1 A licence applicant may ONLY be a football CLUB, i.e. a legal entity fully responsible for a football team participating in national and international competitions which either: a) is a registered member of a UEFA member association and/or its affiliated league (hereinafter: registered member); or b) has a contractual relationship with a registered member (hereinafter: football company). 2 The membership and the contractual relationship (if any) must have lasted – at the start of the licence season – for at least three consecutive years. Any alteration to the club’s legal form or company structure (including, for example, changing its headquarters, name or club colours, or transferring stakeholdings between different clubs) during this period in order to facilitate its qualification on sporting merit and/or its receipt of a licence to the detriment of the integrity of a competition is deemed as an interruption of membership or contractual relationship (if any) within the meaning of this provision ================= In Europe clubs can be a) or b) and at present the club operating from Ibrox looks like its b) if RIFC have a contractual relationship with TRFC. RIFC do not have a contractual relationship with RFC 1872 so if they apply they are a new club/company under b) If TRFC apply they are a new club under a). UEFA had to cover the current construct in their reply to make the point neither a) nor b) would face sanctions because to UEFA they are “new”. If they are not “new” UEFA would have sanctioned them in 2012 for breaches in 2011. RFC 1872 were not sanctioned and TRFC/RIFC were not eligible for three years because they are new. I’ll say no more on this use of the term “company” to mean anything other than what UEFA intend for its not what Res12 was about. An unforeseen consequence, a question that was never asked and what UEFA volunteered by way of explaining no sanction in 2011." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 4 hours ago, Ken Fitlike said: Watch yer windaes UEFA...... Full of obsessed haters imo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Fitlike Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 straw clutching on rangers media 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Link to PERSISTENCE RESOLUTION 12 – OFFICIAL UPDATE Note: They have quoted the relevant part from the solicitors letter, there is no "UEFA statement" per se. It is simply the relevant answer from the to legal questions. They are "a new club/company" ... they cannot make it simpler. Pray for Nacho. Can't be true. That's the same rubbish I have been quoting time and time again in this thread.Should I feel vindicated? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Just now, stonedsailor said: Can't be true. That's the same rubbish I have been quoting time and time again in this thread. Should I feel vindicated? Not sure. Does Vindicated want to be felt? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Not sure. Does Vindicated want to be felt? Nah!I will settle for smug as f**k. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
German Jag Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 14 minutes ago, Ken Fitlike said: straw clutching on rangers media So the lyrics should be the slash my father wore? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 7 minutes ago, German Jag said: So the lyrics should be the slash my father wore? Played by a fuzzy haired top hatted guitarist. This new evidence has us bang to rights, can't argue with a /. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 50 minutes ago, bennett said: This new evidence has us bang to rights, can't argue with a /. Indeed. Yoofa are 100% right. We're a new club/company. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said: Indeed. Yoofa are 100% right. We're a new club/company. Nah, I'm not accepting this until Nacho comments. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Nah, I'm not accepting this until Nacho comments. Do you think this is true? Do you think there is a document somewhere in which UEFA describe Rangers as a "new club/company"?I will miss all the debates and mental gymnastics if so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, stonedsailor said: Do you think this is true? Do you think there is a document somewhere in which UEFA describe Rangers as a "new club/company"? I will miss all the debates and mental gymnastics if so. Unless CQN are telling a huge porkie or indulging in some very selective quoting, it would appear that there is. There's some discussion over what the slash means -'club or company' versus 'club and company'. I'm not sure it makes much difference, to be honest: either interpretation suggests that the entity that was a member of UEFA no longer exists. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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