Kyle Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 I think most people's opinions were influenced by what had gone before when poorly registered or illegally registered players were discovered at a club. Spartans might want to consider suing the SFA after getting kicked out of the cup, for instance. The players weren't ineligible though. Look at point 6 in the summary. 'Minor admin errors' aren't actually too far off what Rangers have been punished for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Confirmed again in black and white that the rangers are a new club with no titles. If chuckie says anything about this then you need to wonder why as the oldco has f**k all to do with sevco. The fine is payable by the old company, now in liquidation, and not Charles Green's new company, which purchased the club's assets in July 2012. yip pretty clear its a new club 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyWellFan Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 I trust anybody claiming this to be a kangaroo court before hand is going to apologise for saying so ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 I think many non-Rangers fans are going to clear out of this thread quite sharpish. Rules were clearly broken but, much like the big tax case, things were definitely blown way out of proportion by those demanding punishment. I've only read the summary, but the punishment does look fair when you consider that this was an independant panel doing their own investigations. Not at all, Kyle. For all the berrz trumpeting para. 6 of the judgment, they're keeping pretty quiet about para. 5. "Scale and extent of proven contraventions" sounds pretty much like cheating to me. As I posted earlier, and have done many times, titles was mainly a pissing contest between the Uglies (although I still feel asterisks should be used against all rangers competition results for this period) - the main thing was for them to be held up as cheats. This has happened, against my expectations, so on balance I can look at the Tribute Act in D3 and be satisfied that never again will they become the malignant force they once were. As I said before - They're guilty. That's going to have to do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
As We Rise Again Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Sniff sniff, the sheer stench of seethe in here is tremendous, I love it I really do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) So what do Rangers fans think of this 'Kangaroo court' now? It's clear you were given a fair hearing, and it wasn't influenced by the SFA/SPL (or if it was, it's just as easy to argue that they were trying to favour you). Edited February 28, 2013 by Kyle 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
As We Rise Again Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 I trust anybody claiming this to be a kangaroo court before hand is going to apologise for saying so ? I thought it was I was positive that we were getting set up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyWellFan Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 I thought it was I was positive that we were getting set up. Why ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 I think it's only right that the frustrations you feel should be met by a complete refusal by plastics and diddies to attend games. Integrity. At least we plastics and diddies fans attend games unlike the sevco posters on here. At least our clubs don't cheat. At least we support our clubs with passion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Though the streets be broad or narrow.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngsy Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 One point, this desicion is going to look rather odd if rangers are found guilty in the HMRC ebt case? I thought that the SPL case could not be related to the EBT outcome, according to many on here anyway after the FTT verdict. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyWellFan Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 So basically: take our titles = stich up small fine and slap on the wrist = good guys Amazing stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Although the payments in this case were not themselves irregular and were not in breach of SPL or SFA Rules, the scale and extent of the proven contraventions of the disclosure rules require a substantial penalty to be imposed; 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 The players weren't ineligible though. Look at point 6 in the summary. 'Minor admin errors' aren't actually too far off what Rangers have been punished for. Yes, and Spartans were thrown out the cup for exactly that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Not at all, Kyle. For all the berrz trumpeting para. 6 of the judgment, they're keeping pretty quiet about para. 5. "Scale and extent of proven contraventions" sounds pretty much like cheating to me. As I posted earlier, and have done many times, titles was mainly a pissing contest between the Uglies (although I still feel asterisks should be used against all rangers competition results for this period) - the main thing was for them to be held up as cheats. This has happened, against my expectations, so on balance I can look at the Tribute Act in D3 and be satisfied that never again will they become the malignant force they once were. As I said before - They're guilty. That's going to have to do. It seems to me though that they just didn't disclose these letters, and it would have had no effect on their ability to register these players. They've broken the rules, or cheated, whatever people are happier saying, but the weight of it isn't nearly as heavy as I think most people (including most Rangers fans probably) expected. Non-disclosure is obviously quite serious, but in real terms so is a £250k fine. Not sure anyone can really argue with this as people have been talking about proportionate punishments all the way through this. Considering the commission's findings, this looks fair to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 What a precedent that has set. Cheat all you want, then get a slap on the wrist 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bendarroch Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 So what do Rangers fans think of this 'Kangaroo court' now? It's clear you were given a fair hearing, and it wasn't influenced by the SFA/SPL (or if it was, it's just as easy to argue that they were trying to favour you). I still think it was a ridiculous error from start to finish. I had no faith in the commission - I'm happy to confess that I'm as amazed by the outcome as I am delighted. And what now, for example, the the absolute fannies at the SFA and SPL who used title stripping as a bargaining chip when negotiating the five-party agreement last summer? They presumed guilt - Doncaster and Regan have to go. They have served no one in Scottish football well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
distresseduke Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 You're absolutely spewing about this, titles intact,EBT case found in our favour (subject to appeal of course),club continuity ongoing ,yes you're spewing all right. Handshakes all round today. Yes you must be delighted...how long is that now??? 42 weeks or so?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
As We Rise Again Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Charles Green says his decision to refuse to allow Rangers to be stripped of titles in the summer has been “justified” by the verdict of an SPL commission.Having purchased the club’s assets in the summer, the chief executive was asked to surrender league trophies in return for the new company being transferred the oldco’s membership of the Scottish FA.Green refused to agree, with the membership then being transferred subject to a different set of conditions.A commission chaired by Lord Nimmo Smith ruled on Thursday that players were ineligible to play for Rangers between 2000 and 2011, but the club has retained five leagues won during that period.“This justifies me not rolling over at the start of the season when I was asked to sign documents accepting title stripping,” Green told STV.“It would have been easy for me to sign that and say I accepted it. But I wasn’t willing to do that.“There is no guilt on Rangers Football Club. The guilt and the fine is on the old company." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasda Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Great result for sevco no doubt about it. As for Scottish fitba … could be interesting to see what happens to the next team that makes an admin error but apart from that it's back to normal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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