somecallmetim Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I'm possibly asking in the wrong place but what is the split between the Rangers fans groups? I assume it existed before the liquidation so what's the problem between the groups? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Without Rangers, the top league of Scotland will only ever be one by one club and often by a considerable margin. How long before that scenario totally destroys Scottish football? Ok, a two horse race may not be ideal and fears of Armageddon so far seem unfounded but you seriously can't believe Scottish football will flourish without a strong Rangers at the forefront. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Without Rangers, the top league of Scotland will only ever be one by one club and often by a considerable margin. How long before that scenario totally destroys Scottish football? Ok, a two horse race may not be ideal and fears of Armageddon so far seem unfounded but you seriously can't believe Scottish football will flourish without a strong Rangers at the forefront. And this 'strong' club needs to be aided by the authorities in order to dominate? Are YOU serious? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but you are shaping up to be a bit of a tit. And yes, I do believe Scottish football will do fine without The New Rangers. Football is far too popular in Scotland to cease to exist just because one club is no longer there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desp Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Bit unfair. I'm only calling it as I see it. I've had a good read back and it doesn't appear unusual for relative newcomers to get stick and have their credentials questioned but you more than most, seem to dismiss every new kid as being some sort of impostor or alias of a banned poster. Is it some sort of P&B initiation? or are you all just so precious of your wee clique? I heard this was a fun board but this forum seems full of all sorts of the bitter and twisted. I'm a Rangers fan who believes we will survive our current problems and rise to the top again. I attend as many games as I can and will continue to do so, even if the team was full of kids and we lost the odd game. No one can deny Rangers belong at the top level of our game, our fan base is massive, so it is inevitable. The others are having their bit of fun at our expense now but even they know that's not going to last, no matter how much they try to cling on to anything that looks like it will prolong it. Lighten up and remember who we are. Wait... you'd still attend Ibrox even if Rangers lost the odd game? Wow. You must be some kind of Superfan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache Don Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Dave King, Rangers man. Apache Don, frustrated Rangers man. Aye that's right, we all have to be, either that or a Celtic man eh? My point was, that these so called Rangers men haven't really shown it much, have they? Blue Knight cavalry bugle in the distance is it. Brian Kennedy ''I'll keep monitoring the situation and if it appears to be going wrong, I'll step in.'' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenockRover Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Oh my lord.... THE BRALT LIVES AGAIN!!! Cheers SpivCo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted January 17, 2014 Author Share Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) Right enough, it makes a HUGE difference to us diddies who wins the two horse race. Indeed. Prior to implosion, the oldco Rangers were simply part of a two-club cartel who were disproportionally large and powerful compared to the rest of us diddies. For a quarter-of-a-century, only oldco or Celtic won the league, and they were only split for a perpetual one-two finish on exceedingly rare occasions. Being so large and powerful meant that any meaningful challenge from another Scottish club was almost impossible, as the conveyor belt of talented players from other clubs to the 'Old Firm' proved. Most notably at times the amount of Hibs players who buggered off to the gruesome twosome. Can't blame the players, Scott Brown for example has now picked up a hefty wedge from Celtic for many years and has made a right good living for himself from the game. Being a two-club cartel suited the oldco and Celtic down to a tee. With vastly superior resources and players, they won most games against diddies, and when we had two Champions League spots, those spots were theirs just about every season. Very cosy, very cushty, very profitable - enabling them to increase the gulf between the two of them and the rest to the width of the Atlantic Ocean. Now, with Celtic acting alone, they don't have the luxury of the oldco (for example) pumping Aberdeen or Dundee United the same weekend they were pumping Hearts or Hibs. It has been proven since oldco's demise, that clubs like ICT, Motherwell, Aberdeen and Dundee United can go on good runs, get closer to Celtic, and Celtic have to work for their titles and do it alone. Last season the title race wasn't decided by Christmas as many predicted, and it wasn't a walkover. Many teams went to Celtic Park and got good results. Sure, they are likely to win out at the end of the day, they are still a massive fish in the pond, and can afford players like Ledley & Co that us diddies cannot afford - but the longer they are without their partners in crime, riding shotgun for each other, the greater the chances are of an Aberdeen, Motherwell, or Hibs / Dundee United getting closer to them. It certainly helps when genuine talent like the kids at Dundee United are now only automatically linked with ONE big Scottish club willing to pay them 20k a week or whatever, to two big clubs looking to hoover up our talent. Kids are likely to stay with diddy clubs a bit longer, and if they're the real deal, could get a move to England and big wages - which also means us diddy fans not having to watch so many former idols turn out in blue or green to shaft us, and perpetuate the cycle of one-two finishes for the 'Old Firm' ad inifinitum. If the Sevco won't die properly, the next best thing is for them to remain inept, shite, crippled by their own gross mis-management and stupidity. We don't want the Sevco back to where they were in a prior guise. We don't need them. My club needs Partick, Kilmarnock and (they can do it!) Morton to come up to the top flight to generate local rivalry and good gates. The Arabs need Dundee back, and a strong and well-followed Aberdeen. Falkirk would be a good addition - another well supported team in a good stadium in an easy-to-get-to town. So it goes on... St Johnstone would benefit from both Tayside clubs and Aberdeen calling. Maybe Falkirk and Dunfermline in the top flight one day to have another rivalry? In short - fcuk off Sevco. You're not required. Edited January 17, 2014 by pozbaird 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache Don Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Indeed. Prior to implosion, the oldco Rangers were simply part of a two-club cartel who were disproportionally large and powerful compared to the rest of us diddies. For a quarter-of-a-century, only oldco or Celtic won the league, and they were only split for a perpetual one-two finish on exceedingly rare occasions. Being so large and powerful meant that any meaningful challenge from another Scottish club was almost impossible, as the conveyor belt of talented players from other clubs to the 'Old Firm' proved. Most notably at times the amount of Hibs players who buggered off to the gruesome twosome. Can't blame the players, Scott Brown for example has now picked up a hefty wedge from Celtic for many years and has made a right good living for himself from the game. Being a two-club cartel suited the oldco and Celtic down to a tee. With vastly superior resources and players, they won most games against diddies, and when we had two Champions League spots, those spots were theirs just about every season. Very cosy, very cushty, very profitable - enabling them to increase the gulf between the two of them and the rest to the width of the Atlantic Ocean. Now, with Celtic acting alone, they don't have the luxury of the oldco (for example) pumping Aberdeen or Dundee United the same weekend they were pumping Hearts or Hibs. It has been proven since oldco's demise, that clubs like ICT, Motherwell, Aberdeen and Dundee United can go on good runs, get closer to Celtic, and Celtic have to work for their titles and do it alone. Last season the title race wasn't decided by Christmas as many predicted, and it wasn't a walkover. Many teams went to Celtic Park and got good results. Sure, they are likely to win out at the end of the day, they are still a massive fish in the pond, and can afford players like Ledley & Co that us diddies cannot afford - but the longer they are without their partners in crime, riding shotgun for each other, the greater the chances are of an Aberdeen, Motherwell, or Hibs / Dundee United getting closer to them. It certainly helps when genuine talent like the kids at Dundee United are now only automatically linked with ONE big Scottish club willing to pay them 20k a week or whatever, to two big clubs looking to hoover up our talent. Kids are likely to stay with diddy clubs a bit longer, and if they're the real deal, could get a move to England and big wages - which also means us diddy fans not having to watch so many former idols turn out in blue or green to shaft us, and perpetuate the cycle of one-two finishes for the 'Old Firm' ad inifinitum. If the Sevco won't die properly, the next best thing is for them to remain inept, shite, crippled by their own gross mis-management and stupidity. We don't want the Sevco back to where they were in a prior guise. We don't need them. My club needs Partick, Kilmarnock and (they can do it!) Morton to come up to the top flight to generate local rivalry and good gates. The Arabs need Dundee back, and a strong and well-followed Aberdeen. Falkirk would be a good addition - another well supported team in a good stadium in an easy-to-get-to town. So it goes on... St Johnstone would benefit from both Tayside clubs and Aberdeen calling. Maybe Falkirk and Dunfermline in the top flight one day to have another rivalry? In short - fcuk off Sevco. You're not required. Aye this pretty much, although a lot of our good young uns are disappearing to English lower championship and League 1 clubs now, which doesn't do them (except in pay packet) or the national side much good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngsy Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Aye that's right, we all have to be, either that or a Celtic man eh? My point was, that these so called Rangers men haven't really shown it much, have they? Blue Knight cavalry bugle in the distance is it. Brian Kennedy ''I'll keep monitoring the situation and if it appears to be going wrong, I'll step in.'' As far as I'm aware Brian Kennedy is a Hibs supporter. Dave King invested heavily over the years, that can't be denied, Paul Murray, haven't much time for, all mouth no substance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somecallmetim Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I've got a feeling that there will not be an admin event this season. Think about it. There is still a stack of cash to be re-routed from the fans pockets to the spivs. The season ticket money is going to be available soon. I'm guessing a high interest, short-term loan will be found to tide them over. Only a cynic would suggest a board member or associate of theirs will provide that loan... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphabino Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 you seriously can't believe Scottish football will flourish without a strong Rangers at the forefront. is that the same flourishing scottish football that was holding back rangers from being a world superpower ? that they were asking all off europe if they could join their league 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Indeed. Prior to implosion, the oldco Rangers were simply part of a two-club cartel who were disproportionally large and powerful compared to the rest of us diddies. For a quarter-of-a-century, only oldco or Celtic won the league, and they were only split for a perpetual one-two finish on exceedingly rare occasions. Being so large and powerful meant that any meaningful challenge from another Scottish club was almost impossible, as the conveyor belt of talented players from other clubs to the 'Old Firm' proved. Most notably at times the amount of Hibs players who buggered off to the gruesome twosome. Can't blame the players, Scott Brown for example has now picked up a hefty wedge from Celtic for many years and has made a right good living for himself from the game. Being a two-club cartel suited the oldco and Celtic down to a tee. With vastly superior resources and players, they won most games against diddies, and when we had two Champions League spots, those spots were theirs just about every season. Very cosy, very cushty, very profitable - enabling them to increase the gulf between the two of them and the rest to the width of the Atlantic Ocean. Now, with Celtic acting alone, they don't have the luxury of the oldco (for example) pumping Aberdeen or Dundee United the same weekend they were pumping Hearts or Hibs. It has been proven since oldco's demise, that clubs like ICT, Motherwell, Aberdeen and Dundee United can go on good runs, get closer to Celtic, and Celtic have to work for their titles and do it alone. Last season the title race wasn't decided by Christmas as many predicted, and it wasn't a walkover. Many teams went to Celtic Park and got good results. Sure, they are likely to win out at the end of the day, they are still a massive fish in the pond, and can afford players like Ledley & Co that us diddies cannot afford - but the longer they are without their partners in crime, riding shotgun for each other, the greater the chances are of an Aberdeen, Motherwell, or Hibs / Dundee United getting closer to them. It certainly helps when genuine talent like the kids at Dundee United are now only automatically linked with ONE big Scottish club willing to pay them 20k a week or whatever, to two big clubs looking to hoover up our talent. Kids are likely to stay with diddy clubs a bit longer, and if they're the real deal, could get a move to England and big wages - which also means us diddy fans not having to watch so many former idols turn out in blue or green to shaft us, and perpetuate the cycle of one-two finishes for the 'Old Firm' ad inifinitum. If the Sevco won't die properly, the next best thing is for them to remain inept, shite, crippled by their own gross mis-management and stupidity. We don't want the Sevco back to where they were in a prior guise. We don't need them. My club needs Partick, Kilmarnock and (they can do it!) Morton to come up to the top flight to generate local rivalry and good gates. The Arabs need Dundee back, and a strong and well-followed Aberdeen. Falkirk would be a good addition - another well supported team in a good stadium in an easy-to-get-to town. So it goes on... St Johnstone would benefit from both Tayside clubs and Aberdeen calling. Maybe Falkirk and Dunfermline in the top flight one day to have another rivalry? In short - fcuk off Sevco. You're not required. Bravo. It would be nice if their business partners went the same way. Unfortunately they actually have people at the helm who know their arse from their elbow. More's the pity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somecallmetim Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 :lol: :lol: Only Youngsy's post about DK was funnier ... heavily invested .. can't be denied .... ??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phasma ex machina Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Without Rangers, the top league of Scotland will only ever be one by one club and often by a considerable margin. How long before that scenario totally destroys Scottish football? Ok, a two horse race may not be ideal and fears of Armageddon so far seem unfounded but you seriously can't believe Scottish football will flourish without a strong Rangers at the forefront. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Some of us had an early start today. I missed it and having had a look back, I can't believe the pages of absolute fk all about anything. If I had been on I'd have had a good laugh at all your slobbering pish. ETA Highlight especially for you teach. Once again for the dimmest of dim, Rangers FC are in no danger of collapse - on or off field - We are coming back to reclaim our rightful place at the top of your inadequate wee league and nothing will stop us. Live with it. Aye sure they are , an echo from November 2011 wee man and how did that pan out again ?. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Brilliant Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Apart from owing HMRC a 'reported' £150m, D&P were only going to sell to one group.... Doesn't make sense It's not used as an excuse to do nothing, I've already stated that we have a scheme implemented to buy as many shares as possible over a period of time. So where is the inaction?. We are doing something but if the current board don't want to sell no one, not the support or anyone else can change anything in this respect. As for stating "a deluded sense of entitlement", that is nonsense, there are many Rangers fans who know exactly where the club is at the moment and don't see any sense of entitlement in being at the top of the game in Scotland, we realise the club has a long road ahead. The inaction is on the part of 95% of the support who aren't taking part in the long, slow share scheme. And as has been pointed out, the time to organise and do something was when obvious chancer Charles Green was able to buy the old club's assets for very little. It was just assumed someone else would step in and provide. There might be a good few of you who are more realistic about the grim reality, but nonetheless the majority expect a Big Man to step in and give them a successful club at great personal cost. I genuinely think people think they are contributing because they 'put their hands in their pocket' - but by and large they aren't contributors, they're just plain old customers. Totally passive in real terms, whatever din they might make on phone-ins or those grim side-columns in tabloids. All of which makes 'we are the people' very, very funny 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadSaint Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Let get this right. We need to bring in another Assistant mananger to help out a guy taking £800,000 wages + bonus. He has already got 2 assistant managers who are taking £600,000 + bonus between them. We will have to sell our better players or release them and we will still be too strong for the Championship that could include Dunfermline,Raith,Dundee , Falkirk, Hamilton, Hearts and another top division club such as St Mirren,Killie,Ross County,Thistle...FFS we lost games in the bottom tier never mind the Championship You honestly don't see crowds dipping when we are selling our better players and being pumped on the park and yet we have to pay 30% more for the privilege? And i am leaving the best to last...You don't think there is anything seriously wrong at the club? FFS and you call others fucking mentalists? Spot on...although I still think you'd find enough for the Championship. Ticket income won't alter drastically unless they play a very dangerous game on pricing and not overstepping the loyalty point where sales go down. Don't see a lot of change to their usual commercial income from being in lower division, nothing seems to have changed scale wise and TV money...it's not a lot...certainly not enough to bolster a £1mllion monthly loss. It's a club/company in need of really drastic cuts but whether they'll see the reality this time remains to be seen. I can't see it and the manager isn't showing much sign of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Spot on...although I still think you'd find enough for the Championship. Ticket income won't alter drastically unless they play a very dangerous game on pricing and not overstepping the loyalty point where sales go down. Don't see a lot of change to their usual commercial income from being in lower division, nothing seems to have changed scale wise and TV money...it's not a lot...certainly not enough to bolster a £1mllion monthly loss. It's a club/company in need of really drastic cuts but whether they'll see the reality this time remains to be seen. I can't see it and the manager isn't showing much sign of it. The ticket pricing for next season is due to rise around 15% to 20% and who knows maybe the world's smallest violin will be playing in the background as Walter Smith once again pleads with the fans to pay that extra bit more to help the spivs erm !, I mean the club stay solvent till their impending return to the top tier and they will be rewarded somehow. The Rangers fans know what is coming round the corner now, but it is how they react to the impending administration event and financial problems being touted everywhere. Do they act like cash cows again and plough their hard earned money into the club hoping everything pans out in their favour. Or do they say "No more" and then force the club into administration to oust the spivs, and suffer any chance of promotion to the top tier in order to get the right people in control of the boardroom making savage cuts and decisions and then plough the money into the club by on the day ticket sales and merchandise ?. Or do they sit on their arses as usual hoping and praying some mug with billion's throws tens of million's at the club in order to get one over ra Sellick and stop them getting 10 in a row and surpassing their 54 top tier titles ?. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beermonkey Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 In short - fcuk off Sevco. You're not required. Great post summed up by the last eight words. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) Spot on...although I still think you'd find enough for the Championship. Ticket income won't alter drastically unless they play a very dangerous game on pricing and not overstepping the loyalty point where sales go down. Don't see a lot of change to their usual commercial income from being in lower division, nothing seems to have changed scale wise and TV money...it's not a lot...certainly not enough to bolster a £1mllion monthly loss. It's a club/company in need of really drastic cuts but whether they'll see the reality this time remains to be seen. I can't see it and the manager isn't showing much sign of it. Winning the Championship is only worth about £280k more in prizemoney than winning League One. (And those figures were based on having a naming rights sponsor). http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/aberdeen/229106-how-much-money-does-your-club-stand-to-make-from-league-reconstruction/ That's, what, 1 week's losses? Hardly worth considering. Edited January 17, 2014 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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