superimp69 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Never thought I'd ever be grateful for living in an area that receives tay fm. You took that too far! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Why are people listening to what ex-footballers have to say??????? Apart from the odd exception I wouldn't listen to anything any of them have to say outwith the actual game on the park. And the last people I would take advice from on financial matters and scottish football is John Brown and the other "would be sweeping the streets if he couldnt play football" ex-pros. A thought just crossed my mind..................haven't heard a peep from rankers "legend" Barry "Bazza" Ferguson. I wonder why............................. Probably the same reason as we haven't heard anything from the other folk that were major beneficiaries of EBT's. No doubt they've all been advised to lie low in the hope it will all blow over. That's not going to happen though. I would imagine it's just a case of Hector getting around to issuing demands for back tax + interest, which in Mr. Ferguson's case could be rather a large sum, given that he was reported to have received £2.5m via. an EBT. Pay up chaps or the Bar-L beckons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Bloody hell, this SSB has gone from annoyance to parody to comedy gold. I've hit the wall and I'm now loving it! (forgive the slight paraphrasing) Hugh Keevins: "John, you said earlier that Celtic and Lawwell wanted extra sanctions applied to Rangers, how do you know this as he hasn't spoken to any journalists" John Brown: "Aye well silence tells you everything" who are your backers John? "The rangers fans" PLEASE let him buy Sevco! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 The only issue with this point is that it is the same argument as that used by Rangers fans over the financial mismanagement. It wisnae the club, it wis the Chairman, don't punish us. If he was speaking on behalf of the club, there is an issue. If he wasn't, Killie fans and shareholders should be calling for his head. All I have read from Killie fans are apologies for the way they were represented in the vote and that is the big difference between them and Sevco. Sevco fans shout about blame, Killie fans talk about putting things right. I saw a tweet from a Killie fan this morning asking that his/her club are not boycotted by fellow fans and I think that Killie should not be made to suffer for the way in which their chairman voted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Roth Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Any P&B'ers infatuated with Jodie Foster and desperate to impress her? Just a thought. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broccoli Dog Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 John Browns twitter account seems to have disappeared Perhaps he's just sobered up and seen the youtube footage of himself outside ibrox the other day! Nope, he's still there, and still looking for the deeds. https://twitter.com/#!/johnbomberbrown 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Heid Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 You are the worst type of person that we meet on here - not a rangers supporter, my arse! Maybe you can't afford to go to ibrox, or maybe you think a SKY sub is as good as a ST, but you're fooling nobody except yourself. Season ticket would not be an issue over cost. Yes I have been to Ibrox to watch Rangers, but have watched probably as many Falkirk games over my football viewing career. BILE, is it? Well, let's have a look at what this "institution" has given us all over the years. The level of bitterness IMO can only be described as Bile. 1. It was made clear to me at an early age that Catholics are second-class citizens. An actual POLICY of the club, not the "regrettable behaviour of a minority". Totally Agree there can be no place for religous intollerance and such a policy in a modern Scottish Society. This policy is rightfully a thing of the past. 2. Ambassadors in Europe? Barcelona would beg to differ - not just in 1972, but also in recent times. Plus ca change.... Manchester also had a ringside view of rangers' "ambassadors", and English cities throughout the 70's and 80's regularly got trashed by currants coming down for "friendlies" - oh, the irony... These individuals were properly and correctly dealt with by the authorities - again I agree on your view. Although I never raised this point in my post. 3. Some people on here have done convincing calculations as to how much these thieving, lying c***s have cost their fellow Scottish clubs by their cheating. If they had not gained league positions, advancement in cups, and qualification for Europe by using dishonest methods, other teams would have benefitted, and Scottish football would have been stronger and healthier for the resources being shared around. What convincing calculations do you refer. I saw no issue from any Scottish Team your own included in taking the money that was on offer to aid their own survival. Any club selling to either Rangers or Celtic rarely reinvests all the money in new players? But largely use it to survive and pay costs etc 4. The famous travelling support. Oh, I do love this one. Other than when there was a title at stake, neither rangers OR celtic can get the RP gate over 10k (once in the last five years, I believe). Is thirty miles down the M77 really too far to follow, follow? In fact, I'd bet John Brown's house (with or without title deeds) that RP is a shorter travelling distance for the majority of the orcs who do manage to drag themselves off the sofa/out of the pub to actually attend a game. Meanwhile, their vocal espousal of what it is like to be so superior beings ensure that home fans will not attend, and certainly won't bring their children. Killie have shown no adversion to selling their own fans short by allowing both Celtic and Rangers to take over the majority of the ground on ANY occassion. Why would they have to do such a thing if it was not down to the fact their own supporters fail to support their own club by buying tickets and as such Killie put finances first and grab the money on offer. For the benefit of the club and their supporters. So can't see your point on this one. 5. Oh, yes, the tax. Stealing from every man, woman and child in the country. 140+ million is a drop in the ocean for the treasury, but your club's all about principles, right? Proud to be British, proud to swear allegiance to the Queen, proud of our forces. Now how many of those servicemen and women that rangers comped into games in return for the PR value of "supporting our troops" d'ye think had to buy their own kit on eBay before going to Iraq or Afghanistan - because MoD funding is being reduced year on year, not least because of thieving b*****ds NOT PAYING THEIR TAXES? Other than the money witheld by Craig Whyte the previous indiscretions are still unfounded and will remain so.? Craig Whyte is righly under investigation for these actions. HMRC by refusing a CVA have ended any liability either way from the alleged indiscretions of the "Big Tax Case" so this accusation will never be proved. (Unless I'm mistake the case ended when HMRC refused a CVA??) But any actions rightly or wrongly were taken by Murray/Whyte and not the Fans. Look on the bright side - rangers are dead. Now you can have a look round and decide which "big" team you're not going to support next. Oh, and pleas don't make it Killie. We've got one too many currant apologists at the club already....Yes Rangers may well be dead - but where does Scottish Football benefit from this? Increased revenue, increased sponsorship, increased support at Killie because Rangers are no longer there. Your own chairman has intimated openly the financial hardships that this may bring to your own club. What interest does the SPL have next season when a team is starting 1/50 on to win the league. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Someone makes a comment that goes against the party line = Rangers supporter/apologist. Pathetic RM type banter IMO. Is there a thread anywhere where we can talk about this shit objectively. Some people want to see what's the best for their club, other people don't think killing Rangers dead is the best thing for the game overall, others see current events as an opportunity to facilitate change that may otherwise never happen. The level of debate in here is playground level at best sometimes. Small issue. Rangers ARE dead, or as good as, given that they have entered the process of liquidation. A newco is exactly that - new. I agree that it is a chance for change, but the constant attempts to shoehorn the newco in at various levels are simply ridiculous. Make them apply for the place in SFL3, if there is one. Should they be successful, fine - if they aren't, they will have to wait for a pyramid, or an available place in SFL3, whichever is available first. The system needs change, but not solely for the benefit of a resurrected "Rangers". In terms of what is best for my club - the opportunity to compete in a League where we don't have to compete financially with a team who have systematically cheated for the last 20 years is ideal. The fact that what is effectively an extension of that entity could be back within a year having wiped their debt (by legal but absurd means) is not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrugalNory Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Quality stuff GD as per. So what do you think realistically? Personally I believe a functioning Rangers and Celtic are important for the well being of Scottish football. More importantly, I care more about whether or not there is a Motherwell to support than satisfying some urge inside me to see the OF wiped out. I'm coming round to the idea now that if a compromise can be found (say 3 up.next season) with rangers in sfl1 as long as it involves more equitable voting rights and prize money distribution, with guaranteed money down the leagues, top league expansion (I'm all about 14) some kind of long term sanction then I might support it. I've gone from wanting Rangers obliterated to wanting them in div 3 to now being OK with div 1 as long as there's more concessions on offer. I don't believe in optimistic nonsense that killing Rangers will somehow magically improve the game, in fact I believe it will damage it. SPL clubs STILL won't accept reconstruction and the commercial value of our game drops massively, unfortunately, with no OF. I lost my hardon for killing rangers a couple of months ago. What do you think? I think your missing the point. Rangers cannot be "killed", they are already dead. What you are "ok with" is a new team leapfrogging two divisions and passing themselves off as a Rangers clone. That is fundamentally wrong no matter who they are imitating. New club = third division (after a fair application process) No exceptions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Northerner Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Quality stuff GD as per. So what do you think realistically? Personally I believe a functioning Rangers and Celtic are important for the well being of Scottish football. More importantly, I care more about whether or not there is a Motherwell to support than satisfying some urge inside me to see the OF wiped out. I'm coming round to the idea now that if a compromise can be found (say 3 up.next season) with rangers in sfl1 as long as it involves more equitable voting rights and prize money distribution, with guaranteed money down the leagues, top league expansion (I'm all about 14) some kind of long term sanction then I might support it. I've gone from wanting Rangers obliterated to wanting them in div 3 to now being OK with div 1 as long as there's more concessions on offer. I don't believe in optimistic nonsense that killing Rangers will somehow magically improve the game, in fact I believe it will damage it. SPL clubs STILL won't accept reconstruction and the commercial value of our game drops massively, unfortunately, with no OF. I lost my hardon for killing rangers a couple of months ago. What do you think? ETA: typical pious and emotive nonsense from WRK. I care about my club. All other concerns are secondary Boiling it all down, you're happy to continue relying on one or two other clubs to keep yours going - and, furthering the logic, they need to be successful for the 'Well to get some more crumbs. A piss poor business model as has been recently shown. Whether SevCo continue to exist or not, it is surely better for Motherwell to move to a less dependant position. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Personally I believe a functioning Rangers and Celtic are important for the well being of Scottish football. More importantly, I care more about whether or not there is a Motherwell to support than satisfying some urge inside me to see the OF wiped out. And your club went through a very similar process and were not punished at all, so it is any wonder you pander to the soft option. Why not just buy a season ticket for Sevco if you are so concerned for them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John..You're Immortal Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Following yesterdays bout of bottle-finding by the SPL clubs, Rangers fans have now published their definitive ‘fatwa’ list of those they hold responsible for their fall from grace and, of course, who they will take appropriate vengeance upon come the day. It’s a comprehensive list: Celtic Football Club All other SPL Clubs All SFL clubs * (*Decision Pending) SFA UEFA FIFA HMRC Ticketus Lloyds Bank Duff and Phelps David Murray Craig Whyte Charles Green Neil Doncaster Stuart Regan Ena ~ the tea lady at Hampden BBC STV Channel 4 The Muppets (Especially Kermit) Blue Peter CBBC Radio Clyde Radio Scotland Radio Rental Radio GaGa Daily Record Daily Mail The Scotsman TV Quick Hello Magazine Young Farmers Weekly The Peoples’ Popular Front of Judea Judean Peoples’ Popular Front The list of those who are NOT responsible for Rangers being in this position: Glasgow Rangers* (*Except the scabs within the RST, RSA and RFFF) Have they missed anyone? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 So. The SPL do the right thing but the SFA want the SFL to do the wrong thing by shoe horning the buns into DIV 1 on the pretext that there will be social and finacial armageddon without them. Financial: If the current TV and sponsorship deals are bust without them, pull up your advertising socks and find new ones, you gutless lazy morons. I am sure there are comapnies keen on being involved in a more competitive and inherently less cheaty league. Certainly for less money, maybe not as high profile but if it means fair play and less hand wringing I think we'd all watch the Bank of Toytown, Tampax league on Channel 5 (or whatever). You have whored our beautiful game out plenty in the past few years for the benefit of the ugly sisters, so get your fishnets on and hit the streets. Bitch. Social: Despite the fact it is not the responsibility of the SFA to provide distraction for the great unwashed here are some wee ideas to keep them occupied if when their club finally disappears for good: Pope Benedict the XVI Squeaky Chew Toy And For Those Lonely Nights 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 What's best for anyone's club is not an option anymore. All clubs are looking at how to minimise the impact of rangers' death. As for any type of "compromise" solution - sorry, if anyone thinks that is acceptable, then they're not a football fan. This is not a Gretna or a Livingston, not a Dundee, a Leeds, or a Middlesborough. This is not a victim of financial mismanagement or "living the dream". This is a CRIMINAL organisation.This is an organisation which already had a pre-eminent position in its field, and used the resulting influence to weaken its competitors. An organisation which could not suck enough cash out of the Scottish game to play with their "rightful" peers in the European elite, so took a conscious decision to STEAL money from every person in this country. Not on one occasion, but as a sustained business practise. Now, rangers have been caught, but contrary to their apologists, have not yet been punished. Yet idiots still maintain they must be pandered to "for the good of the game". Bollox. Any game which "needs" these lying, thieving, cheating scum is not a game, it's a conspiracy to extort money from fans on the premise of sport, while rewarding criminal behaviour. I, and the majority on here, don't believe that is right. This should be a happy time - rangers are dead, we have an opportunity to start again (with celtic having to play nice) - yet we are still assailed by acolytes of the old order, trying to breathe some life into the stinking corpse of Scotland's most shameful club. WhiteRoseKillie, I have read all of your posts. Ffs stop dancing around the edge with your wishy washy comments and come out and say what you really mean. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qpsnapper Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 FTA, a quote from Doncaster... "A number of people have said the decision today has enhanced the reputation of the league but it’s not for me to say." That's a bit fucking rich considering his boss, and surprisingly quiet, Topping was happy to berate the SPL diddies for reducing the league's reputation by daring to suggest that a change in the draconian 11/1 voting regime should be changed. Another quote after yesterday's meeting was "This is what the supporters wanted". In other words, "It's all your fault". I half expected him to look into the camera and start shaking his fist when he said that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 All I have read from Killie fans are apologies for the way they were represented in the vote and that is the big difference between them and Sevco. Sevco fans shout about blame, Killie fans talk about putting things right. I saw a tweet from a Killie fan this morning asking that his/her club are not boycotted by fellow fans and I think that Killie should not be made to suffer for the way in which their chairman voted. Thanks for the understanding Sailor, and by extension all those decent posters on here. Johnston has been a total embarrassment for some time now, and it makes us cringe when opposition fans pick up on his nonsense. As chairman, it can be said that he DOES speak for the club, but he certainly doesn't always speak for the fans - I think we've made that clear. I hope that no fans do boycott us next year - the pies are still excelllent, and good cheap beer is available in a number of fine establishments. Plus there's always a chance of three points when you visit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 No I understand that semantic argument well. I did not say I was OK with it, I stated that it may be a necessary evil. What has happened to newcos in other leagues? Have they had to start again from the bottom every time? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted July 5, 2012 Author Share Posted July 5, 2012 The clientele of the Pie & Bovril 'Big Rangers administration/liquidation' thread. We're in the clear guys. Heads down, dark glasses in place, keep posting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Any P&B'ers infatuated with Jodie Foster and desperate to impress her? Just a thought. Dont get me started on Jodie Foster. I dreamt of pumping her when I was first getting wet dreams. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Craig Whyte Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Why am i only 12th? Expected to be bit higher up the pecking order in all honesty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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