The big chair Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 There was NO vacant place. The SFL had 30 teams in it. The SPL would not elect one of them up into become Club 12 until the SFL had put Sevco in one of its leagues. Unfortunately for the SPL, it wasn't the league they wanted them put in. If there wasn't a place why did newco have to apply and be voted in? none, so they should have had a polite 'feck off' It's a pity that SFL greed got in the way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fife Saint Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 The 'club' evolved into a company, whether to ltd. or plc. It's dead. The club is dead. They can stick their fingers in their ears all they want but it's over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bairney Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Currently re-reading 'Porno'; the sequel to Trainspotting. Just had a laugh at one of the scams Spud and Sickboy set up against a Rangers fan in Leith. Spud - 'So ah'm tellin um a wished ah kent Dode's pin number cause see if ah did , ah'd huv dipped the c**t's poakits for ehs caird, cause he's goat big dosh in that account - Aye, eh keeps gaun oan aboot how ye can choose yir ain yin in that Clydesdale Bank. When Dode came back we gits another one in and sits doon. But then something pure radge happens! The gadge takes ehs jayket off, n Sick Boy an me jist look at each other. It's pure thaire man, right in front ay us! Ye coud see Dodes tattoo wi 'Aye Ready' on one airm, and his King Billy oan the horse oan the other. Aye, n jist below the hoarse oan a scroll wis that PIN number, tattoed so thit eh wid never forget it: 1690 What follows is a massive scam against Rangers fans - this book is highly recommended reading 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Rangers Football Club PLC (1873-2012) cheated their way to trophies etc and will be liquidated, which will end their tainted history. The Rangers Football Club (Sevco Scotland 5088, 2012-present) are a new entity and have won nothing, they have just bought Ibrox and Murray Park and have also bought the old club badge. Am I right? Not really. The SFA are the only arbiters of what is and isn't a football club. Parent companies are irrelevant. While Rangers PLC is going away and Sevco is coming in, the history and continuation of Rangers FC is completely unaffected unless the SFA deem otherwise. Transfer of the same SFA membership, rather than transferring the old membership means the SFA see Rangers as the same club. This is also the only legitimate way (maintaining sporting integrity) of delivering punishments to a football club operated by Sevco. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Alex Thomson's View (Latest): http://blogs.channel...x-tribunal/2359 [/size] Three words that explain why this thing is so fucked up. Doctor Heidi Poon. That explains it all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_F Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Yes, the club can be punished for what (allegedly) happened in its past. The transfer embargo, assuming it is finalised, is proof of that. The transfer embargo is not a punishment - it's a condition of the expedited entry of Sevco in to the SFL. The fact it has a hole in it you could drive a tanker through is another matter altogether. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 The 'club' evolved into a company, whether to ltd. or plc. It's dead. The club is dead. They can stick their fingers in their ears all they want but it's over. Do you have anything to back that up? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 wut? Well if you think about it, an asset is something you can sell for a monetary value. Players can leave on free transfers, or in the case of Rangers, just leave anyway, therefore they can't be regarded as assets. Not really. The SFA are the only arbiters of what is and isn't a football club. Parent companies are irrelevant. While Rangers PLC is going away and Sevco is coming in, the history and continuation of Rangers FC is completely unaffected unless the SFA deem otherwise. Transfer of the same SFA membership, rather than transferring the old membership means the SFA see Rangers as the same club. This is also the only legitimate way (maintaining sporting integrity) of delivering punishments to a football club operated by Sevco. This was what I was getting at. The club and the company have to be separated. It's easy to have a go at Rangers fans, and fun, but in this case they are quite correct. The mistake they are making is trying to argue this means that footballing punishment should also die with the Oldco. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Also the SFA see Airdrie as a continuation of Clydebank so Sevco would be a continuation of Rangers. If they can start the season... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 As I see it, all SFL has to do is sit tight? If SPL offer a smashing price, accept it. If Rangers commit suicide over EBT investigation not being dropped, it's all irrelevant anyway. Or if we reached Thursday and the group preventing resolution is SPL... because they're using their supposed 'veto' to effectively blackmail/ransom SFL over TV rights... then SPL is going to take the heat, for 'killing' Rangers through unconnected money-grabbing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Also the SFA see Airdrie as a continuation of Clydebank so Sevco would be a continuation of Rangers. If they can start the season... No idea how they can do this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beermonkey Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Also the SFA see Airdrie as a continuation of Clydebank so Sevco would be a continuation of Rangers. If they can start the season... Clydebank didn't die airdieonians did, airdrie united is just clydebank with a name change, completely different circumstances. Rangers are dead...end of...newco are the airdrie united if you like. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_F Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Clydebank didn't die airdieonians did, airdrie united is just clydebank with a name change, completely different circumstances. Rangers are dead...end of...newco are the airdrie united if you like. Is it not more that Newco are the version of Clydebank that are playing non-league football? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlasgowCeltic.org Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Do you have anything to back that up? http://www.rangers.co.uk/clubHistory/article/2495830 "as Rangers formally became a business company." http://www.rangers.co.uk/coaching-staff-profile/article/1555141 "In May 1899, Wilton was given the dual role of manager and secretary when the club became a limited liability company." Those are from the official website of the now defunct Rangers Football Club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloomogganners Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Do you have anything to back that up? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlasgowCeltic.org Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Well if you think about it, an asset is something you can sell for a monetary value. Players can leave on free transfers, or in the case of Rangers, just leave anyway, therefore they can't be regarded as assets. Rangers FC (IA) could have sold those players, as they were contracted to Rangers FC (IA). They didn't, the club went bust, and so the players were, at that point, no longer assets of the now defunct club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted July 22, 2012 Author Share Posted July 22, 2012 To try and cut to the chase - IF Charles Green can get a new 'entity' to start this season... is there any way he can do it and see his new entity completely dodge any SFA imposed sanctions and also dodge any punishments in regard to oldco EBTs? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 (edited) Clydebank didn't die airdieonians did, airdrie united is just clydebank with a name change, completely different circumstances. Rangers are dead...end of...newco are the airdrie united if you like. You've fcuked that up. You should have said that oldco are the Airdrionians and newco are the Clydebank (an unattached company masquerading as something else) Edited July 22, 2012 by stonedsailor 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlasgowCeltic.org Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 To try and cut to the chase - IF Charles Green can get a new 'entity' to start this season... is there any way he can do it and see his new entity completely dodge any SFA imposed sanctions and also dodge any punishments in regard to oldco EBTs? Yup, apply for a new SFA membership, instead of trying to gain the one previously held by the now defunct Rangers FC (IA), which will have the sanctions attached to it, and subsequently, to any club which wishes to take it on. Of course, this would require 3 years of audited accounts... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 http://www.rangers.c...article/2495830 "as Rangers formally became a business company." http://www.rangers.c...article/1555141 "In May 1899, Wilton was given the dual role of manager and secretary when the club became a limited liability company." Those are from the official website of the now defunct Rangers Football Club. So the Club existed as something other than a company before 1899. Surely that bolsters the argument that a football club is not a company but rather an entity solely defined by the governing bodies, in this case the SFA. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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